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  1. Chuck Keysor says:

    Hello friends and followers of the Elginite. To start off the new year and the election season, I am happy to announce that the Elgin OCTAVE will be holding a candidate forum, on Saturday, January 17th starting at 6PM. The forum will be conducted at the New Covenant Fellowship Church, 865 Parkway, Elgin. I hope that you will be able to attend……

    In preparation for that forum, a survey has been sent to both of the mayoral candidates and to all of the council candidates. They have been given up to two weeks to answer this survey and return it to me. We will do our best to compile all of the candidate replies onto a big spread sheet and then hand them out at the candidate forum on 1/17/15.

    It is our hope that such a survey will be helpful to the voters as they try to learn who the candidates are, and where they stand on various issues. There are many more issues that we didn’t even touch upon, but hopefully other forums and other groups will work to fill in the gaps.

    What you see in the next section, are the instructions that were provided to the candidates. And after that you can see the survey. I hope that this questionnaire will stimulate some good discussion and help to get everyone ready for this election season.

    Thanks, Chuck
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    Happy New Year Elgin City Council Candidates and Mayoral Candidates! 12/31/14

    Following is the Candidate Questionnaire for the Elgin OCTAVE candidate forum. Please carefully answer this questionnaire and return it to me by email, no later than January 14th. Earlier will be helpful because we will attempt to compile all of the candidate’s answers onto one big spread sheet, which we will hope to hand out at the forum on Saturday January 17th. In order to make a summary spread sheet, it will be helpful if you can be as brief as possible in your replies.

    Also, PLEASE answer the questions. If you feel a question is unfair, it will be much more useful to the voters if you explain why you disagree, instead of not answering the question.

    We make no pretense that this is an objective questionnaire. The election is about issues, and we want to find out where the candidates stand on the issues. We will disseminate the questionnaire results as widely as possible, and we will give you full privilege to distribute the survey however you would like. So your replies which may not fit a conservative perspective, may well find a good reception in other circles.

    So again, please answer freely and honestly, so that the voters can gain insight into where you stand on these issues.

    We would have loved to have included more questions, but we simply had to draw a conclusion to this phase, so that we could distribute these questions to you.

    And this is not a closed book test! You have about two weeks, so please do not simply answer a question by saying you don’t know. If you make it to the City Council, you may not even have two weeks to come up to speed on an issue, and cast a vote.

    Attached are some relevant background documents. Some added information will be emailed separately. Search where ever you want, and ask your supporters for input if you are not sure. But PLEASE, answer the questions as best you can in a way that would reflect how you would vote on an issue. This is so the VOTERS can better understand your thinking. Yet at the same time, where possible, please try to be brief simply for the sake of the summary spread sheet.

    Thank you, and Happy New Year, Chuck
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    2015 City Council Candidate Questionnaire

    1) In 2011 the City Council unanimously approved the passage of Elgin’s “Responsible Bidder Ordinance”. The responsible bidder ordinance EFFECTIVELY bars any non-union business from bidding on any City work that costs more than $50,000.

    In 2014, Councilman Gavin discovered that this ordinance was costing the City of Elgin lots of money. The City Manager says that while he doesn’t know the exact amount, he says that the Responsible Bidder Ordinance has almost certainly cost the City millions of dollars.
    Question 1a: Do you feel that Elgin should repeal its Responsible Bidder Ordinance?
    Question 1b: Do you support the Responsible Bidder Ordinance?

    2) In the fall of 2014, Councilman Gavin tried to bring the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance” up for discussion at a council meeting. In a 6 to 3 vote, the Elgin City Council refused to even allow discussion of the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance”.

    Question 2a: Do you feel that the Council was wrong to block discussion of the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance”?
    Question 2b: Do you feel that the Council’s refusal to even allow this ordinance to be discussed may indicate excessive outside influence upon the council majority?

    3) The City is one of the largest financial supporters of the Elgin Chamber of Commerce though its funding of the Elgin Development Group ($275,000) And the City GIVES the Chamber an office in the downtown without charging any rent.

    Chambers of Commerce are traditionally supposed to be advocates for their business members. But with the Elgin Chamber’s financial dependence upon the City, a conflict of interest has been created making it impossible for the Chamber to advocate on behalf of the Elgin business community in matters where the Elgin businesses have a issues with the City. This conflict of interest was proven to exist in the matter of the Elgin Business License.

    Question 3a: Do you feel that a conflict of interest has been created by the City funding the Chamber?
    Question 3b: Do you feel the chamber should continue to get a rent free office in downtown Elgin?
    Question 3c: Do you feel the money given to the chamber should be:
    A) Eliminated B) Cut in half C) Stay the same D) Increased?

    4) The Downtown Neighborhood Association (DNA) gets $135,000 from the City of Elgin. The City is currently funding the DNA with proceeds from the downtown TIF district. But the most recent plan to fund the DNA is to create a “special service area” which is a dedicated taxing district, in the downtown which would be used to fund the DNA.

    Question 4a: Do you support the creation of a special taxing district to fund the DNA? Question 4b: Do you support the City’s current use of the downtown TIF district to fund the DNA?
    Question 4c: Do you feel the money given to the DNA should be:
    A) Eliminated B) Cut in half C) Stay the same D) Increased?

    5) The City of Elgin has 3 Tax Incremental Financing districts (“TIFs”). TIFs have been criticized for effectively raising taxes for everyone outside of the TIF, and for making it too easy for cities to spend money on things that they don’t really need (Riverside Drive, downtown bricks, etc), and for creating discretionary expense funds such as to fund the DNA. (Supplemental information on TIFs has been attached. Please read that document before you answer this question.)
    Question 5a: Do you support the use of TIF districts in the City of Elgin?

    6) The Elgin Business License went into effect in 2010. Instead of raising money for the City as promised, this program cost the City of Elgin many hundreds of thousands of dollars. In 2013 with a “new” council in place, the council voted to eliminate the annual charge for the Elgin Business License. But all businesses are still required to register every year, and still face the potential for being fined for failing to register.

    Question 6a: Do you feel that the Elgin Business License should be completely repealed?

    7) The City owns well over 300 properties. Some of these are of course vital, such as City Hall, while other properties are of no value to the City. Because these properties are owned by the City, they do not generate any tax revenue, while also presenting ongoing maintenance and liability expenses. Many of these properties are empty lots, while others such as 31 S. Grove, have valuable buildings.

    Question 7a: Do you think the City should inventory all of their properties?
    Question 7b: Do you think that the City should create a temporary task force to determine which properties the City should sell, and when they should be sold?

    8) Beginning in 2012, the City started its “Revenue Diversification” program. This program was supposed to lower the City’s portion of the property tax bill, while making up for that loss with the introduction of the monthly trash fee, natural gas tax, electric tax, increased sales tax, a leaf rake out fee and an alcoholic beverage tax. Council discussion made it sound as though this program was going to be “revenue neutral”, and not present any net increase to the taxpayers.

    Question 8a: Did you know that in 2012 some Elgin residents wound up paying 10% to 12% more in taxes and fees to the City of Elgin than they paid in 2011?
    Question 8b: Do you believe that “Revenue Diversification” was introduced primarily to raise taxes?
    Question 8c: Do you feel that City Hall has been less than honest in promoting the fact that they have lowered everyone’s property taxes, while failing to give equal time to the fact other taxes and fees have been increased far more than the property taxes have been decreased?

    9) Under Elgin’s “revenue diversification” policy which was adopted in 2011, the residents are taxed and charged in multiple ways that are difficult to keep track of. Some of these expenses are the trash fee, natural gas tax, electrical utility tax, sales tax, increased sales tax, leaf rake out fee, yard waste stickers, liquor tax and property tax. These are in addition to other existing “quiet” taxes, such as Elgin’s Telecommunications tax. A “true tax” figure would show what a typical Elgin family pays each year for all of these mandatory taxes and fees to the City of Elgin.
    Question 9a: Do you believe the City should post “true tax” figures on its website to assist Elgin taxpayers in understanding their total Elgin tax burden?
    Question 9b: Do you believe that the City of Elgin should post “true tax” figures going back for at least 10 years so that the taxpayers of Elgin could effectively judge the long term effects of Elgin’s taxing policies?
    Question 9c: Would you support eliminating the monthly trash fee and moving that back onto the property tax bill so that this expense would at least be tax deductible?

    10) When “revenue diversification” was introduced, it was explained by City Staff that this would be important to the City of Elgin, because it would assure the City that it could always pull in the money that it needed to fully fund its operations, and avoid making cutbacks to staff and the elimination of programs in the event of a future economic downturn.

    However, it has been observed that the natural tendency of government is to grow, driving up the need for added tax revenues. And that the only time there has been a “check” against this continual growth in government, has been as the result of an economic downturn.

    Now, with “revenue diversification” in place, it appears as though there is no longer any mechanism in place to reset the unchecked growth of City government, and in a future economic downturn, City staff can keep on expanding, further raising the need to increase taxes while the distressed taxpayer is personally struggling to deal with pay freezes or layoffs.

    Question 10a: Do you agree that the City’s revenue diversification program has eliminated a vital mechanism that serves to slow the growth of Elgin’s City government?
    Question 10b: Do you see the elimination of this check on the size of Elgin City government to be a problem?

    11) The City has hired a new communications director, with a starting salary of $106,694, and she will start her work for the City in January of 2015. The City has not had a communications
    director since 2010 when the position was eliminated due to economic conditions.
    Question 11a: Do you think the City should have continued to do without a communications director?
    Question 11b: Does this annual salary of $106,694 seem to be excessively high?
    Question 11c: Do you feel that Elgin’s apparent policy of paying top dollar for some positions is in the best interest of Elgin’s taxpayers?
    Question 11d: Would you favor hiring these top earning workers as “contract” employees, so that they would not add to Elgin’s future pension obligations?

    12) In order to be “transparent”, Hoffman Estates shows the names, salaries, overtime, and benefits for every one of their employees on their website.

    Question 12a: Should the City of Elgin display the names of all their employees with their salaries, over-time, and benefits on the City of Elgin’s website?
    Question 12b: Should the City of Elgin’s website display of all salaries, etc., go back for at least 5 years so that citizens can see which employees get raises, and see how much those raises are?

    13) The City of Elgin deals with the matter of leaf collection in different ways in different parts of the City. In some areas the residents must bag their own leafs. In other areas the homeowners must rake the leafs out into the street, where City workers will collect them. The costs to residents vary depending upon what their area’s leaf pick up policy happens to be.

    Question 13a: Do you support the City’s current leaf policies?
    Question 13b: Should the City have the same leaf policies throughout the City?

    14) Until the early 1980s, the city did not collect homeowner’s leafs. At that time, each homeowner was able to dispose of their leafs in whatever way they chose. The options were to throw them in the trash, mow them, mulch them or rake them into piles and
    burn them. The burden was on the citizen to deal with their leafs. But then the City of Elgin banned leaf burning, (even though it is still legal in Kane County) and instituted its taxpayer funded leaf pick-up programs.

    During the 2011 budget task force meetings, it was disclosed that the City’s direct labor expenses for collecting leafs every fall was about $450,000 per year. That ignores the capital expenses for purchasing huge truck mounted leaf vacuums and leaf loaders and worker’s compensation claims for injuries sustained by city employees who get injured in these physically intensive labors while operating potentially hazardous equipment. To eliminate leaf burning, we instead have Diesel trucks belching black smoke, and city employees making roughly $60,000 and $70,000 per year going around picking up leafs. (City payroll figures for 2013 will be supplied separately.)

    Question 14a: Should the City get out of the leaf collecting business and tell the citizens that they can bag, mulch or burn their leafs as they see fit?
    Question 14b: Should the City get out of the leaf collecting business and put leaf collection out for bid to private companies that could do this work for less than the City of Elgin?

    15) Over the last 20 years, the City Council has approved millions of dollars in aesthetic and cultural enhancements in its effort to revitalize the downtown. The beautification of Walton Island, building the Rec Centre, installing brick pavers and planters downtown, creating the Kimball Street median planting, building Artspace, and the recently completed Riverside Drive are all expensive, optional projects that were specifically intended to revitalize the downtown. Yet by most accounts, Elgin’s downtown is distressed and depressed with businesses that open and then fail, lots of vacancies and a poor image.

    Question 15a: Do you feel it was good to use millions of the taxpayer’s dollars to fix the downtown?
    Question 15b: Do you feel that these multi-millions of dollars spent over the last 20 years have erased Elgin’s image problems?
    Question 15c: Would you support similar multi-million dollar projects in the future that promised to revitalize downtown Elgin?

    16) The City Council has had some discussions about making Elgin a rail road “quiet zone”. Establishment of such a designation would prohibit trains from sounding their horns in Elgin. In order to have no train horns sounding in Elgin, it would cost the City about $1million to make the required crossing upgrades according to estimates obtained by the City.

    Question 16a: Do you think the City should spend about $1million in taxpayer’s dollars to make Elgin a “rail road” quiet zone?

    17) The 2011 Budget Task Force was staffed by the Mayor and the City Manager. Many qualified individuals who applied for this task force (a CPA, an attorney, a former councilman, etc) were not selected, and the Mayor and City Manger recruited people who did not even apply to be on the task force. The budget task force was seen by some observers as having a poorly defined mission and no guiding parameters from the council.

    At the completion of the 2011 Budget Task Force meetings, their recommendations were effectively discarded by the Elgin City Council. The Budget Task Force said raising taxes was to be the last resort, but a short time later, in December 2011, the majority of the council ignored the Budget Task Force’s recommendation, and instead voted to significantly raise taxes and fees.

    The on-going Hemmens Advisory Task force was also staffed entirely by the Mayor and the City Manager. Observers believe that this task force also has a poorly defined mission, and no effective parameters from the Elgin City Council. So it is feared by some that the Hemmens Task Force recommendations will simply be discarded in the same way that the Budget Task Force recommendations were discarded, and that the effort will also turn out to be a futile exercise.

    Question 17a: Did you attend any of the budget task force meetings?
    Question 17b: Have you attended any of the Hemmens advisory task force meetings?
    Question 17c: Do you believe that it was wrong for the Mayor and the City Manager to do the staffing of these two commissions?
    Question 17d: Do you believe that lacking a clear mission statement and having no council guidelines would needlessly raise the risk of a task force’s recommendations being rejected by the council?
    Question 17e: Do you expect the Hemmens Advisory Task Force recommendations to be accepted by the Elgin City Council?

    18) The Illinois Tollway Authority gave the buildings and associated land from the former Fox River Country Day School to the City of Elgin. The City of Elgin discussed keeping the property and repairing it’s buildings, at an estimated expense of about $5million, then keeping that as a city owned facility. No one was able to come up with a use for this property that would not have produced perpetual financial losses to the taxpayers of Elgin.

    Some have advocating selling the former Fox River Country Day School property for a low price, or even giving it way if no buyer can be found, simply to put the property on to the tax rolls, and to avoid the City taking on a new financial liability which loses money every year, like the Rec Centre. The last published information on this was that there are two parties interested in purchasing this property for a modest sum (one party would pay $100,000, and the other offer was not disclosed).
    Question 18a: Would you support selling this property, even if the City got only $100,000 out of the deal?
    Question 18b: Would you refuse to accept “free” property without first making a complete
    financial evaluation?
    Question 18c: Would you support accepting “free” property even if such a property was projected to produce significant annual losses to the taxpayers of Elgin and had no apparent financial value?

    19) The City Council recently approved paying $130,900 spread over 3 years to lease the top floor of the Professional Building to host the “Art Showcase”. This is a small performing art venue. Side Street Studio Arts has at their own initiative created their own performing arts space, showing that such functions can be filled by the “private sector”.

    Question 19a: Do you think that the City should fund performance spaces such as the “Art Showcase”?

    20) In the last few years, as revenues from the Riverboat have declined from a peak of $30million in 2006, down to an estimated $11million in 2015, the monies available to fund Elgin’s not-for profits has dropped.

    Question 20a: Should the City spend all of its available funds on City projects and paying down pension obligations instead of funding Elgin’s not-for-profits?
    Question 20b: Should the City of Elgin fund any not for profits, when the majority get no funding from the City?

    21) In January of 2014, the City Council in a 6 to 3 vote, gave final approval to a $25million project by the Housing Authority of Elgin to rehabilitate the existing apartment building at 120 S. State, and to construct a new apartment building on the site of the recently demolished 132 S. State building. When the $25million project is complete, a net of 6 new apartments will have been added to the capacity of that site. In order for this project to proceed, the council had to approve multiple variances to the set backs required by City Ordinance. And the only legal frame work in which this project could be approved, was under a building category that only applied to free standing buildings that are located in open land.

    Some members of the community opposed this project because:
    a)the new building was so crammed into the site, that it did not conform to minimum setbacks required by ordinance.
    b)the building was conceived as a high density project, when urban planners for more than a quarter century have determined that high density subsidized housing is to be avoided, and that low density construction is what is most beneficial.
    c) the new building not conform to the appearance of the neighborhood and the existing public housing structures.
    d) the added traffic burden placed on Locust Street, as the new building would not have enough room for its own exit driveway, so that traffic would have to enter on Locust Street, which is at a curved hill on route 31.
    e) the City owned many other properties which could have been given to the “HAE” to expand their public housing stock instead of over-crowding the 120-132 S. State site.
    f) this site was arbitrarily chosen without justification or consideration of the detriments of its inherent high density.

    The approving council majority also seemed to fall to the Housing Authority of Elgin’s pressure of needing to take quick, action. Yet a year has gone by, and ground has not even been broken for this new building.

    Here is added information on the matter:
    http://elginite.org/blog/2013/10/08/big-problems-with-proposed-expansion-of-120-s-state-st/

    Question 21a: Do you see the council’s approval of this project as being hasty and short sighted?
    Question 21b: Do you believe that the City should have allowed multiple zoning rules to be
    broken in order to approve this project?
    Question 21c: Do you believe that the City should form a policy of basic guidelines for the density
    and location of future public housing projects before another project can be started?
    Question 21d: Should the City be able to over-look multiple zoning/code violations in approving
    future building proposals?

    22) The City of Elgin has spent lots of taxpayer’s money to construct bike paths. In some cases,
    these bike paths are nothing more than striped lanes on the edge of the street, and associated signs. Critics have noted that these paths have not increased the bike ridership in Elgin, so that they represent a zero return on investment, and City Staff has pointed out that by creating bike paths, the City creates legal liabilities for itself, should a bike rider be injured in a bike path.

    But in the worst cases, such as on Wing Park Blvd and in Cobblers Crossing, wide swaths of grass in the public right of way have been torn up, and bike paths which are about twice as wide as a normal sidewalk were installed. Neighbors report that these bike paths are expensive eyesores, and that they are seldom used.

    Question 22a: Do you support the City spending money to create bike paths that are striped lanes on the existing pavement?
    Question 22b: Do you support the City spending money to create new dedicated wide cement bike lanes, such as exist along the west side of Wing Park Blvd?
    Question 22c: Would you support the effective removal of striped lane bike paths by not replacing the pavement striping when a street is re-paved?
    Question 22d: Would you support the removal of the wide concrete bike paths, such as the one on the west side of Wing Park Blvd. when at some point in the future they fall into disrepair?

    This is the end of the questionnaire…………………………..

    • paul says:

      Speaking of advancing the level of discourse. Is it possible to get past Felony Dave’s scripture reading and his myriad minor personal problems, or criticisms of Octave for actually having an agenda unlike LWV who’s members stand along Kimball street waving signs protesting law enforcement and capitalism!

      How about the new city owned restaurant called the Grumpy Goat? AT least the city isn’t paying EPH owner 1/2 million a year to manage it like Carlucci gets for Porter’s pub!!! Though free rent and remodeling costs picked up the taxpayers is pretty sweet.

      A

  2. bw says:

    Chuck,

    I read the OCTAVE questionnaire with an open mind as if I were a candidate for mayor or a member of the city council. I came to the conclusion that unfair for me to answer many of the questions without
    talking to the manager, mayor and current council members for a history behind the questions as constructed. The council meets in Executive Session where a lot of issues are discussed that are not made public. There could be reasons to protect the community why certain actions must be considered before a member of the council votes “yes or no” on any and all issues on the meeting agenda. If I were a candidate, I would like honest answers on each question you ask in your questionnaire so I could be informed on the history of the issue. As smart candidate would take as much time as needed in researching every question OCTAVE ask in the gray area of their questionnaire. The time you allow is far to short for a candidate researching each question and submit a honest, fair answer.

  3. Chuck Keysor says:

    Hello bw. Thank you for wading through the entire questionnaire.

    It is true that incumbents will have an easier time answering some of these questions, because they actually lived through some of these sessions from which the questions have been derived. But this is an advantage that comes with incumbency.

    But I have spent many hours over the last three days watching the council/committee of the whole sessions from November and December, often 3 or more hours long, taking notes, and making hand drawings of various charts and graphs presented at those sessions. When I am done, I will email to all the candidates, and post here, the dates and times for council sessions where events connected to questions 1 and 2 take place.

    While I too sat through those sessions, it turns out, that it is very hard to actually go back and find specific comments and discussions. It is like looking for a needle in a haystack as the old saying goes. I have to simply play through each session and listen to everything. In doing this, it became all the more apparent to me that I must provide those times and dates if someone is going to actually go and listen to the discussions about which I am asking.

    Chuck

  4. bw says:

    Chuck,

    Look at questions 1 & 2:

    1) In 2011 the City Council unanimously approved the passage of Elgin’s “Responsible Bidder Ordinance”. The responsible bidder ordinance EFFECTIVELY bars any non-union business from bidding on any City work that costs more than $50,000.

    In 2014, Councilman Gavin discovered that this ordinance was costing the City of Elgin lots of money. The City Manager says that while he doesn’t know the exact amount, he says that the Responsible Bidder Ordinance has almost certainly cost the City millions of dollars.
    Question 1a: Do you feel that Elgin should repeal its Responsible Bidder Ordinance?
    Question 1b: Do you support the Responsible Bidder Ordinance?

    2) In the fall of 2014, Councilman Gavin tried to bring the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance” up for discussion at a council meeting. In a 6 to 3 vote, the Elgin City Council refused to even allow discussion of the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance”.

    Question 2a: Do you feel that the Council was wrong to block discussion of the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance”?
    Question 2b: Do you feel that the Council’s refusal to even allow this ordinance to be discussed may indicate excessive outside influence upon the council majority?

    This Ordinance was passed in 2011. Who knows what discussion took place in Executive Session on this back in 2011? Elgin has agreement’s with many Unions covering lots of provisions. It is possible that the city and union have an agreement on the $50,000 limit. You can’t change this provision in the middle of a city/union agreement even if the manager says the Ordinance cost the city millions. It is a gray area because the manager has no idea how much money is involved. Discussion on the issue is moot as it is in a city/union agreement and has to be honored as a matter of a binding contract between the two. A candidate can’t answer truthful without the complete history behind the Ordinance. The candidate could voice an opinion whatever that would be worth??

  5. Chuck Keysor says:

    bw, the purpose for Councilman Gavin asking for a discussion on the responsible bidder ordinance, was to in part bring out the background so people could know what was going on with this issue. If the majority of the council wants to shut down the discussion, and keep the people from knowing what the reasons for such an ordinance are, that should worry the voters. Executive session discussions, IF they were even held, do not prevent the public from getting a general over-view of discussions.

    I believe that Councilman Gavin will not let this issue die, so we can hopefully learn more about this issue at the council meetings, as well as finding out what the candidates think.

    Chuck

    • bw says:

      Chuck,

      Your reply is the OCTAVE opinion on the ordinance in question. I don’t think the voting care about an over-view on discussions that involve a gray area where the manager has no idea how much money the ordinance cost the taxpayer. Councilman Gavin has a habit of trying too disrupt issues at most meetings. He is not one of the more intelligent members.
      I think he should let the issue die for the good of the community. You an be sure this is a union suggested ordinance. If I were a member of a union I would let the ordinance stand. I would also argue on the disclosure of employee’s salary etc. on the web.

  6. Chuck Keysor says:

    Well these are all good thoughts, and I expect that you and many other voters will benefit by being able to read how the candidates respond to these questions. Chuck

  7. bw says:

    Chuck,

    You gave in to quickly. As “the man” representing and author of the 20 questions listed here and the OCTAVE head with a conservative agenda, reading between the lines of those questions that will not help, but confuse the voter as there is too much gray matter that requires many hours of research for a candidate to provide an truthful answer that could help a voter choose the right candidate.
    In addition,Jeff Meyer, a member of OCTAVE, a candidate Chuck Keysor supported in the 43th District for Illinois GA against Anna Moeller and lost by 3000 votes, is pushing Joe for mayor as shown on Joe’s website. Has OCTAVE decided who it wants elected? It will take a candidate several hours in answering all 20 questions. I question if OCTAVE has a hidden agenda in this election. Every candidate will need too question OCTAVE’S motives.

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      bw, sorry you find the questions to be too deep. I think it does not take lots of deep inside understanding to decide for example that the “responsible bidder” ordinance needlessly drives up the cost of Elgin getting done the things our voters and council members want to do, and therefor conclude that such an ordinance is not in the best interests of the City.

      I do not think that it takes lots of deep inside understanding for the average voter to decide that having the council try to shut down a discussion of the responsible bidder ordinance.

      The hard part, for which we can thank Councilman Gavin, is getting the responsible bidder ordinance to the public’s attention. OCTAVE is simply trying to help broaden the awareness of this issue, so that voters can decide what they think about this, and if they want to support candidates who are in favor of driving up costs for the City of Elgin, and if they are in favor of candidates who want to try and hush things up that should instead be brought out for the public to understand.

      These, and many other issues addressed by our questionnaire, are more of OCTAVE trying to make the voters aware of issues. Making the voters aware of issues that we think most voters will object to is our motive, and that is nothing sneaky or terrible. We did the same thing with the Rain Tax two years ago. Our effort was to make as many people aware of this proposal as possible. We did not endorse anybody, but the voters were able to figure out who was against the Rain Tax, and as they say, the rest is history.

      I have no pangs of distress for making candidates spend a couple of hours reading over questions and trying to figure out what position they should take. The amount of work required to serve on the council is HUGE compared to this relatively piddly little survey.

      Thanks, Chuck

      • bw says:

        Chuck,

        Please don’t put words into my mouth. I never said the questions were too deep. I said there was a lot of gray area meaning that a clearer detail is necessary so the candidate can draft a truthful answer so the voter understands his/her position on each issue. You know how important it is for having all the facts on every issue. The “responsible bidder” ordinance was discussed in my first post on questions 1 & 2. In your reply you informed every candidate how they should draft their answers to your “piddly survey. In other words answer each question as you think OCTAVE wants and worry about how you will vote if you get elected. The author makes light of his own survey that he calls piddly. Each candidate only needs OCTAVE is what Chuck is advocating so answer every question accordingly making the whole questionnaire worthless in the minds of many voters. Those voters who agree with OCTAVE will vote for you. In the first paragraph, Chuck told you OCTAVE’S position on the “responsible bidder” ordinance if you read between the lines. OCTAVE wants the “responsible bidder” ordinance repealed, you can take that too the bank. Chuck gave each candidate the formula needed in answering every question in his above reply. I hope each candidate has good luck in answering this “piddly survey”.

  8. Chuck Keysor says:

    Sheesh, I was only characterizing the survey as piddly as it relates to the relatively enormous work required to be on the council, and in that regard, our survey is insignificant.

    And geesh, I spoke to the council publicly in November telling them that the responsible bidder ordinance is bad. No reading between the lines is needed to know what I think on this issue.

    Do you think people will answer the survey to please me or to please OCTAVE? Do you think any of the incumbents who are up for re-election who voted to table the responsible bidder ordinance discussion will answer to make me happy? Of course not. I pointed out this consideration to the candidates in the information that I also posted on the Elginite. I am making OCTAVE views known, without disguise, again, just as was done with the Rain Tax.

    Elgin OCTAVE hated the rain tax, and we said so with fliers, our special website set up for that issue, and in speeches to the council. Yet there were still council candidates who supported the rain tax, and said that we needed one. My views or OCTAVE’s views do not shape the candidate’s views. There is no formula to answer this questionnaire, except for the candidates to truthfully express their opinions.

    Another point for you, is that these types of questions that are provided with background information, AND with 2 weeks to answer, are intended to combat the candidate that seems to be in every crowd at forums, who will readily decline to answer any hot question, by using the dodge, “Gee, I don’t have enough information to answer that question”, so while other candidates take a stand, and risk loosing votes, those who claim they can’t answer are trying to get off the hook. One candidate in 2011 did that repeatedly, and she inspired this consideration in our questionnaires. And she is running for re-election…..

    Oh well, I have to go back to watching council budget videos and taking more notes. Chuck

    • bw says:

      Chuck,

      You post is an effort too get you “off the hook”. You are the person who called the survey piddly. The sad part of this is that only a few people will read any post on this board. It is the same with every Social Media boards. The same group of people visit, read and post so a few others can reply just like we are doing. Most people are involved in their own daily lives and being concerned about politics is not at the top of their agenda. Our post are between you and I with a few others who find the board entertaining. Who cares if I agree or disagree with the OCTAVE agenda. I’m going on 79 years old and new nothing about OCTAVE until I started visiting this board on a regular basis. OCTAVE and I will never agree on piddly issues that are part of your 22 questions about our community. My interest is in the health field. I take graduate courses online from a major university in health science management. I have lived in Elgin my entire life and have seen all of the changes made over that time span. I was in politics for 30 years. Every campaign cycle is different because every candidate has their own agenda. Being financial responsible is the most popular issue from every candidate. Making Elgin a better place to live is another favorite. The OCTAVE forum is a good starting point for this election cycle.

      Back to my class text until next time. Thanks!

  9. Jennifer says:

    I can tell you right now who OCTAVE will support in the campaign. I’m guessing Julie Schmidt, Toby Shaw, Jason Dusenberry and Andrew Cuming or Jaime Hjelm based on their public statements and previous campaigns and direct involvement with this tea-party group. OCTAVE’s forum and survey are not intended to educate the public on issues of concern. If it were, it would have made an attempt to find out what those issues are from the public- not one or two of their members. Who knows, some of those already mentioned candidates may have even written the survey- picked the questions. Average voters should take all of this with a big grain of salt.

    • bw says:

      Jennifer,

      I have too agree on your post. OCTAVE has a small group who call all the shots on issues that are of interest in the mind of one or two members.
      As you mentioned they have their own agenda. That is the purpose of the tea-party group. Voters need to take the OCTAVE forum and questions as little value in voting this April.

      • paul says:

        “Voters need to take the OCTAVE forum and questions as little value in voting this April.”

        So YOUR candidates responses at the forum were meaningless untruthful lies, bw!!! Your statement is meaningless as it stands.

    • Paul says:

      Good point. I’m pretty clueless about these issues and no very little about Octave. But what they’ve shown me through this forum is that they are not an organization of which I want to be a part.

      • paul says:

        ” I’m pretty clueless about these issues and no very little about Octave.”

        Clueless about spelling too. Ya “no” what I mean, Paul!

  10. One Vote says:

    To Jennifer and bw and others of your ilk, may I suggest you create your own organization and your own forums.
    I have sat through enough LWV candidate forums to know that they don’t represent me. They have their own pet topics and ignore the questions I am interested in.
    The same goes for NENA and SWAN and every other group.
    I LIKE what OCTAVE is asking.
    Now, if you want the libs to control the table (and the council) these topics would rile you. I hope they do.
    Candidates will attend or not. Candidates will answer the questionnaire or not. Welcome to the election process.

  11. Cruex says:

    OCTAVE is a special-interest group. Expect questions about their special interests. When neighborhood groups host forums they ask a question or 2 about their interests. At an Eagle Hts forum many years ago they asked a question about stream bank erosion in their creek. Unfortunately these past 4 years have been all about taxes and fees and special interest spending and that plays right into OCTAVE’s hands. Any candidate who chooses not to participate is sending a message of fear.

  12. bw says:

    Cruex,

    Anyone who fears OCTAVE should not be running for city council. OCTAVE likes to take credit for killing the “Rain Tax” issue. They played a small role in that campaign. Chuck Keysor thinks he is an expert on tax and spend issues in city government. Most citizen’s disagree with his agenda. He has nothing more to do with his life but watch city council video’s. I suggest he start watching the Catholic channnel at 119 on Comcast, this well help enlightten his mind and be more like most people.

    • RS says:

      If you continue to violate the comment policy, I will have to bring down the ban hammer. Please consider your comments more carefully before posting.

  13. bw says:

    Keysor stopped shooting himself in the foot and lowering the OCTAVE group image by keeping his thoughts off this board. Best thing that happened this year so far.

  14. bw says:

    Elgin Group Site:

    People, Places, Good Times you remember. Let’s spark some of those good ol’ time memories. Pictures are welcome!!
    Created on Dec. 13, 2009
    If you like nostalgia, try the group REMEMBER WHEN
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/213981715372222/
    It is an open group for anyone to join and enjoy. Hope to see you there!
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  15. Cruex says:

    “Anyone who fears OCTAVE should not be running for city council.”

    I agree! Let’s see who decides not to participate in their forum and brand them as fearful and unfit to serve. I like that idea very much.

    “OCTAVE likes to take credit for killing the “Rain Tax” issue. They played a small role in that campaign.”

    OCTAVE had a big role in killing the Rain Tax. I didn’t read anywhere where Prigge or Gavin paid for the bunches of their yard signs I saw. You must not have traveled off of your street much in the past 2 years. Prigge and Gavin railed on it during their campaign and the 2 or 3 weakling challengers who said there was no such thing as a Rain Tax got beaten badly. Even your Lib pals on the council ran away from their earlier votes to begin the tax.

    “Chuck Keysor thinks he is an expert on tax and spend issues in city government. Most citizen’s disagree with his agenda.”

    And you speak for most citizens, do you?

    “He has nothing more to do with his life but watch city council video’s. I suggest he start watching the Catholic channnel at 119 on Comcast, this well help enlightten his mind and be more like most people.”

    Does Catholic channel 119 instruct their viewers to speak ill and disrespectfully of people who have a difference of opinion than they do? Does it instruct viewers to “be like most people?” Based on your regular pitiful spelling and lack of knowledge when to use an apostrophe, I recommend you find smarter priests to watch on your Catholic channel or start watching Sesame Street on Comcast channel 11.

    • Paul says:

      Why would anyone want to be a part of Octave. They sound pretty crazy from what I read on this blog.

      • paul says:

        “Why would anyone want to be a part of Octave. ”

        Why would anyone want to be pretend to be someone they are not, as you do, Paul???

        And too, no one is requiring you to be a “part of Octave”.

        “They sound pretty crazy from what I read on this blog.”

        Clearly, you know crazy.

  16. bw says:

    Cruex,

    Everyone has their own opinion. I thank you for sharing yours.

  17. Chuck Keysor says:

    Thank you Cruex.

    BW, I had originally thought when you showed up on the Elginite, saying that Carol Rauschenberger should be our next mayor, that you were a little old. At later points, you said you were elderly, and are a well known former elected official. And in all honesty, I was dying to learn who on earth you were.

    Recently, you said that you are a man, and you got my wheels spinning. You are an elderly white man who has been an elected official, and I wondered, could bw possibly be Dave Reinert? I went back and looked up some of your old posts, as I know you used to post here all the time, and then disappeared.

    Upon reading the old posts by Dave Reinert, I saw all the terrible spelling and odd sentence constructions, and I said, Yep, bw is Dave Reinert.

    Here is an old post of yours. I find it rather ironic that in this post from a long time ago, you scolded someone for posting with a fake name! Here is what you said: “Nex time post your name so I know who I’m addressing. I hate talking to a no name person. Get some guts and tell us who you are.”

    Thanks, Chuck (ps, I have been busy doing lots of work for an Elgin OCTAVE meeting tonight and I had not had time to read the Elginite for that reason.)
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Truth in Elgin

    March 14, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Mr. Reinert, in doing some research I found this out- I can understand why you’re supporting Schock. Birds of a feather and all. Have you ever paid back the money you owe and done your community service?

    Courier-News in 2001:
    “He is the former Elgin township supervisor who was convicted of stealing more than $500,000 from the township treasury and served nearly three years in prison for it.

    He still has hundreds of hours of community service to perform and nearly $1 million in restitution to pay back.”

    Daily-Herald 1996:
    “Having paid the most inconvenient part of his debt to society, David J. Reinert was released Tuesday from a federal penitentiary in Kentucky.

    But the former Elgin Township supervisor still owes more than $500,000 in restitution and 2,000 hours of community service to Kane County taxpayers.

    Those are debts that he must start to repay soon, according to Kane County officials.

    It’s been three years since Reinert, now 60, pleaded guilty to federal charges of mail fraud and tax evasion and a state charge of felony theft.”

    Dave Reinert

    March 14, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    I did what the court ordered me to due. I paid back my debt to society spending 30 months in federal prison. I did the necessary community service and paid the restitution I could afford on my small income. However, the money I took was not political contributions. It was returned to the Township via the insurance company who bonded me. They paid the township one million dollars. The taxpayers did not lose a penny. You’re comparing apples with oranges. What has Mayor Schock’s political contributions have to due with me? What does something that happened over 15 years ago have to do with the current election. If you’re going to compare something compare Schock with Kaptain. Compare experience in years of running the city. Compare all of the excellent acccompishments that the Mayor and the Councilman have achieved. The election is between Mayor Schock and councilman Dave Kaptain. Dave Reinert is a private citizen who pay his debt to society. I have a long list of accomplishments for the people of Elgin. To bad you did not spend the time researching all of them. Four come to mind. I was the founding father of the Community Crisis Center. I was the Chairman of the Wing Park Bandshell. I coach little and teener league for 15 years just to start the list. The rest are all in the record. spend some time reading the past newspapers of my accomplishments at the library. I was a member of the GOP for 30 years so I know a little about poliics. I do give you credit for showing the date (1996) in your post. It shows that you are aware that all of the things you mentioned were years ago. I’m 75 now and will take my mistakes to the grave. I hope I set the record straight with you. Nex time post your name so I know who I’m addressing. I hate talking to a no name person. Get some guts and tell us who you are.

  18. Jennifer says:

    If OCTAVE wants to instill fear in candidates then they have no place in the public forum. No group should try to intimidate people into doing their bidding. No one elected OCTAVE to speak for the public. It’s bad enough that we have special interest groups at the federal and state level who influence the political process with negative campaigns and smear tactics. There is no place for that in local elections. The LWV and neighborhood groups that host forums are non-partisan and don’t do endorsements. They don’t bully candidates (as far as I know) into taking positions on issues or participating in their forums. That’s why they have credibility and OCTAVE doesn’t in my mind.

  19. bw says:

    And Jesus said to them, “HE WITHOUT SIN LET HIM CAST THE FIRST STONE”.
    I found out that Elgin is far from a Christian community. I applied for over 100 jobs without even one interview. My family supports me along with my $1350/mo social security and medicare. I don’t own one asset. I have the love of a wonderful family. The 20 of us just enjoyed a wonderful holiday season. George Ryan is in the same position. I pray that each one of you read my Facebook page and live by my Daily Bible Quotes. When I die, my family will see that I’m giving a Catholic burial. Father Joe and I have made arrangements at St. Lawrence church.
    I pray for God’s Mercy on all you hypocrites. If the shoe fits, wear it.

  20. bw says:

    Let us come near God with a sincere heart and sure faith, because we have been made free from a guilty conscience, and our bodies have been washed with pure water.

    Hebrews 10:22

  21. bw says:

    “The sheer mean-spiritedness often found here is a real detriment to this board. I don’t post much here because of it, even when I know something that could contribute to the discussion, and I know several influential Elgin people who feel the same. There’s not much credibility in a place where it’s acceptable to be blatantly hateful to the family of a dead man while they are mourning.” ADV made a creditable post about this board. RS should take it as such.

    • paul says:

      “blatantly hateful to the family of a dead man”

      Well, unlike Mayor Kaptain who unnecessarily, pointlessly, without evidence implied his opponent, Galvan, a liar this week, I’ll be decent and civilized and won’t imply you are liar, yet, ADV. Please evidence the “blatantly hateful”. I’ll bet large you can’t/won’t! AND given your statement was in the very same thread following my post where I refused to be included in bw’s collectivized “we”, it is very likely you were referring to me.
      Wow! Because I refuse to join your religious worship of certain dead people of your choosing! And if convicted felon bw Reinart is your shining example of a Christian, it could be a good clue as to why I don’t agree with your religion.
      And speaking of your religion, incredible nearly at the exact same time bw is quoting scripture here he’s blasting councilman Shaw for exercising his moral principles founded in western civilization’s judeo-christian believes as if separation of church and state require politicians to drop their moral believes at the chamber door!!! Tragic/hilarious in the demonstrated depth of ignorance there.

      “a real detriment to this board.”

      I guess you ain’t Charlie Hebdo. More akin to the ones trying to silence Charlie! If you could only get rid of opinions your don’t agree with what a wonderful world it would be.

      ” I don’t post much here ” because you are intellectually dishonest and are unable to formulated a cogent argument that can withstand the light of day.

      P.S. People die in Elgin every single day. Do you pray for them all or only parasitic politicians who get voted OUT of office and live in Arizona yet get named Elgin’s humanitarian of the year because of his great love of Elgin - from afar! Oh, and do you realize what an accomplishment it is for Gilliam to get voted OUT of office when he had the black vote locked in? Even the guilty white libs must have become disillusioned. Gilliam presided over the hollowing out and decimation of the downtown core. Presided over the great loss of retail tax revenue. The hollowing out of the inner city housing stock. What is it he accomplished? Oh, he was black!

  22. SM says:

    I think Betty White?, Billy Williams? or is it Dave Reinert? just short circuited! Nice going, Chuck.

  23. Paul says:

    Dear Chuck,
    I’m a regular voter in Elgin and find that survey confusing and biased. I might agree with Octave on some issues but if that is the type of survey you put out, I don’t want to be a part of that organization.

    In fact, I’ll vote against anyone who Octave is promoting. It doesn’t sound like this organization has the best of intentions for the citizens of our community.

    • paul says:

      “find that survey confusing and biased. ”

      I’m certain you find everything confusing and biased, beginning with your name, Paul.

      “I’ll vote against anyone who Octave is promoting.”

      I’m certain you’d vote against anyone who agrees with freedom, liberty and decency regardless of what Octave does so unless the Octave candidates want the crazy vote they’ve lost nothing with your non-endorsement.

      • Paul says:

        Thanks for raising the level of discourse on the forum.

        • paul says:

          “Thanks for raising the level of discourse on the forum.”

          You mean like claiming a survey is confusing and biased without being able to evidence a single example of your confusion and bias, in effect all you are doing is name calling and hate spewing? But hey, whatever trips your trigger.

          Or raising the discourse by KNOWINGLY attempting to confuse everyone by using my name?

          By demonstrating exactly what you are I have indeed raised the level of discourse. You are just to confused to know it.

  24. Hedley Lamarr says:

    Chuck,
    You forgot Question 23.
    By what percentage will OCTAVE backed candidates lose?

  25. Allen Skillicorn says:

    Great job Chuck!

  26. Allen Skillicorn says:

    With the debate :-)

  27. Chuck Keysor says:

    Thank you Allen! I was glad to see you and your wife!

    For those who want to see the completed candidate questionnaire, you can see it at http://www.elginoctave.org.

    And the forum itself will be put up on Youtube, hopefully in a couple of days, though that is out of my hands.

    Thanks, Chuck

  28. Chuck Keysor says:

    As a note to Hedley, the Elgin OCTAVE as an organization does not back council or mayoral candidates, nor do we provide any financial support of candidates.

    We advocate for issues. And we work to let the voters know where the candidates stand.

    Each Elgin OCTAVE member is free to support whomever they like, and in whatever way they want. The signs you see in my yard may or may not be the same as in other OCTAVE member’s yards.

    Chuck

  29. Chuck Keysor says:

    Here is a true email communication I had earlier this week with someone that Hedley would no doubt cheer on for his unthinking hatred of anything that is not totally left wing.

    When I sent out email announcements of our forum, I got this message. Honest, this is a quote, including the crazy spacings and spellings. I couldn’t make this up if I tried:
    “- how many times do i havce to subscribe to your right
    wing crap beforei actually get foo your list that i never sigined up for in the first place. next email for
    you will be forwarded to the authorities with a harressemnt
    complaint.”

    Here is my reply: “Dear XXX, I had met you while I was working against the Chamber of Commerce. You were happy to talk to me then and you had given my your email address at that time.

    Feel free to label this as SPAM. The forum is not right wing, it is a chance for you to learn where the candidates stand. Thanks, Chuck”

    And here is his reply: “have marked as spam, but som you are aware if sokmething called facts - anything run by right wing nuts os not a public service but your attemot at trying to be relevent.
    as for our firt encounter on the chanber of commerce, we part ways the first meeting, i wnated nothin g to do with your ultra righjt crap.”
    I do not find there to be a lack of correlation between the sender’s IQ and his message of leftwing hatred of anything that is not equally liberal.

    Thanks, Chuck

  30. Paul Stocksdale says:

    Perhaps one of the biggest issues that affects my family personally is the Odd/Even parking. As a resident in the historic district without off street parking, it has adversely affected my life and cost an enormous amount financially in parking tickets.

    It feels like that is an issue that is not brought up much. Are there others that also feel strongly on this issue, and the unfair implementation of this ordinance in only certain parts of the city?

    Thanks,
    Paul Stocksdale
    444 Park Street

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Paul, I feel your pain. The biggest factor deciding if a neighborhood has odd/even parking is the leaders of the affected neighborhood group.

      If the leaders of your neighborhood group (are you in GPA?) want odd/even parking, you will have a hard time getting rid of it. The areas that got odd/even parking only got it because the neighborhood group (or the leaders of the neighborhood group) wanted it. And after experiencing lots of pain, some neighborhood groups changed their minds, and asked for the City to end the policy, and the City honored their requests.

      While I was the president of our neighborhood group, the City asked us if we wanted odd/even parking, and we replied back that we would fight against such a proposal. We said causing bother, and financial problems to our residents is far worse then having leafs and old cars on our streets. So the City never came back to us and the matter was dead.

      I hope you can change the mind of your neighborhood group. (I guess your neighborhood board has changed since the time the odd/even parking went into effect.) If not, you will have to gather an awful lot of petition signatures, and probably have a fight on your hands.

      Good luck, Chuck

      • Paul Stocksdale says:

        Yes, it may be a losing battle. I thought that there could have been a potential law suit to try to end the discriminatory practice. But maybe there aren’t enough people affected negatively.

  31. bw says:

    Elena ’s reporting on the forum was weak. That is why she was not cited for a Daily Herald Award. It was a boring article. It surprised me that a candidate would post it on his campaign site.

  32. Chuck Keysor says:

    Dave Reinert, the people I have talked to liked the Daily Herald article and found it to be well written. She was balanced and was able to give an accurate feeling of what the evening’s event was like.

    At some time before too long, we will have a Youtube video of the Elgin OCTAVE’s 1/17/15 forum. It will not be edited, except that it will be broken into two parts: the council session, and the mayoral session. I’ll post the link here. Then you can watch it and tell me how terrible it was! Hopefully everyone else can watch it and learn a lot about the candidates.

    Thanks, Chuck

  33. Margaret Miller says:

    I attended the forum and with the exception of three, who I will not name, I didn’t feel anyone brought their “A” game. Homework and research along with sitting up straight is a valuable thing to an audience of voters.

  34. bw says:

    CK,

    You’re entitled to your own opinion even though is far from accurate. Your talking to a couple OCTAVE members don’t impress me. The article did not give a professional opinion about any candidate. I expect more from a reporter. I guess I’m use to Mike Bsiley’s style of reporting. She made it sound like the whole forum was a farce. Sorry you didn’t like my comment. However, I realize the whole forum was your show. Who could expect more?

  35. bw says:

    CK,
    We left after the council group finished their round of questions. It sounds to me from that article, which I read this morning, both candidates acted as two immature gentlemen. It is a shame we are not given a better choice. Another person who attended.

  36. Cruex says:

    The Courier has at least 3 reporters covering Elgin and I have yet to see any report in their newspaper about the octave forum.

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Cruex, I didn’t see any Courier reporters at the forum. So I don’t expect any coverage there.

      In the end, there will be a video on YouTube of the entire forum. So hopefully people will bother to watch that. I’ll post the link here, and everywhere else I can, when the video is up. Though I don’t know how soon that will be, as this is being handled by a volunteer who is squeezing it in between all of his paying work.

      Thanks, Chuck

  37. Jose says:

    Applaud those who have taken the time and the initiative and who care enough about our city who are running for council. These individuals deserve, at the least, a grade of “A” for the effort. Each presented well. It is easy to sit in the peanut gallery and scrutinize the presentations and comment on how someone is sitting or slouching. Elgin needs doers and less peanut gallery commentators who offer very little by way of actually implementing anything in concrete actions or solutions. They get a grade of “F.”

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Oh Jose,
      “A” surprising new comer to the blog…well, you have your opinion and I stand by my assessment.

  38. bw says:

    Top Money Problems of American Seniors: How Retirees Deal With Debt?

    http://financesonline.com/top-money-problems-of-american-seniors/

    Elgin seniors are faced with the problem. This is why we hate paying $250.00 for our Fall leave removal from a local lawn service. We use to get a $200.00 yearly from the city. I don’t see burning as the answer as the leaves still have to be collected and we are not able to do that due to health problems. How can the council help us as senior citizens?

    • Margaret Miller says:

      I would suggest requesting help from the your church or some of the hundreds of volunteers Elgin has.

      • bw says:

        MM,

        I want a reply from council candidates.

        • bw says:

          In addition, I give to the Catholic church not take. I want people who are insured on my property who will not sue me if injured. Use your head.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            bw,

            Do not hold your breath awaiting a response on this blog from a Council member unless you sent them a message directly, which you did not mention in your original post.

            How about your first try to help yourself? Why do so many people automatically run to the government expecting them to fix any number of personal or particular problems? Cradle to grave care. Good gracious man, wean yourself off that teat way of thinking, please.

            I would have hoped that, especially from a senior citizen, you would have exhausted all possibilities before asking the local government and the taxpayers to fix a problem. Did you exhaust your possibilities or do you think that they have nothing better to do than worry about your leaf problem?

            As far as the Catholic Church, how about some of that Christian Charity from the ones you have supported? I’m sure they have an Alter & Rosary Society or a teen youth ministry you can ask. What about the local Boy Scout or Girl Scout Troop, the Boy & Girls Club or how about asking a friendly neighbor to lend you a helping hand? Perhaps if you speak with any of them you can solve your own problem and make the proper arrangements to clear your leaves ten months from now.

          • paul says:

            “I give to the Catholic church not take”

            Yeah, but your embellishment of a million dollars from the Elgin township taxpayers was a take.

            No quoting scripture today absolving yourself of responsiblity? Is your religious theory that we should empty the prisons (casting stones)?

        • Margaret Miller says:

          Sorry, hit submit before I was finished.

          Are you telling me that there is no family memeber to help you either?

          Insurance, that’s a cop out. Use your own head and fix your own problem or sell your home and move into a location that offers that service or saves you enough money you can hire out.

          • paul says:

            “Use your own head and fix your own problem or sell your home and move”
            Amen to that, MM.
            $250 would have bought Dave 625 lawn bags at Menards with money left over. The city of ELgin already offers FREE leaf pick-up. Apparently Felony Dave wants the city to rake the leaves out of his yard for him!

  39. bw says:

    All seniors are included in my post. I did send my request to several candidates running in the April election as the leaf issue was on the OCTAVE forum as an issue for the candidate’s too answer. I have received a number of responses from several candidates. I’m glad that they realize this is an issue that must be considered in the campaign as it could help all seniors. I have a few more questions, along the same line that will help seniors choose council members that realize the plight of us senior citizens. I’m glad that the candidate’s take this issue seriously. We paid our $250 to have a truck load of leaves removed. We also pay a weekly amount for lawn mowing in the summer, and snow removal in the winter. There are many senior’s that cannot afford these services. They must look for help via their local government. Some senior’s must make a 30 day supply of medication last for 60 days. They also must cut back on weekly food purchases.
    Next time, read the whole post, understand it, and then reply as appropriate. You were way off base as usual.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Dave,
      You didn’t answer any of my questions.

      Other than running to Council with your problem, did you do any of the things I suggested to help yourself?

      • bw says:

        MM,

        You must have not read my post. I told you how we helped our leaf problem. A ton of senior’s can’t afford paying out-of-pocket. I think it was a sin for the council to charge for garbage pick-up and take the free leaf bags away. A few candidates for city council agree with me. Your questions are moot.

        • Margaret Miller says:

          Why not start a group that helps seniors pick up their leaves? ALL it takes is a few phone calls to get the ball rolling and you have many months to get it done for Fall 2015.

          Just because someone agrees with you doesn’t mean you/they are right and have taken all things into consideration.

          Who do you think pays for the employees and heavy duty equipment and its maintenance to sweep up leaves?

          You end up paying one way or another so why not try to get volunteers to help the seniors.

          Perhaps you just want someone else to do the work.

          Good night

  40. Cruex says:

    Bw your concerns about leaves are quite self-serving because it affects you. If you were truly concerned about seniors you should not support your beloved Mayor and his 3 spenders for re-election this year. They made it tough for everybody to afford living here. But you won’t do that because you are a taker and councilmen like Gavin, Prigge and Shaw threaten your taking ability. You can’t have it both ways. Let’s see whose signs you will have in your yard for the election? If you put any incumbents signs in, you will be a hypocrite. But then again you think Carol Rauschenberger should be the next Mayor.

  41. bw says:

    Perhaps you just want someone else to do the work.

    How smart you are. The someone else is he City of Elgin. It is their job in seeing that the leaves are picked-up and disposed. Maybe they should hire a private contractor. The expense items in the budget can be adjusted to cover the cost. Your friend Chuck Keysor fiends the leaf issue a problem and included it as a question in his 22 questions for the new candidates in the forum agenda. This is an issue for the council to decide, not one cheap minded citizen.

  42. bw says:

    MM,

    OCTAVE questions:

    13) The City of Elgin deals with the matter of leaf collection in different ways in different parts of the City. In some areas the residents must bag their own leafs. In other areas the homeowners must rake the leafs out into the street, where City workers will collect them. The costs to residents vary depending upon what their area’s leaf pick up policy happens to be.

    Question 13a: Do you support the City’s current leaf policies?
    Question 13b: Should the City have the same leaf policies throughout the City?

    14) Until the early 1980s, the city did not collect homeowner’s leafs. At that time, each homeowner was able to dispose of their leafs in whatever way they chose. The options were to throw them in the trash, mow them, mulch them or rake them into piles and
    burn them. The burden was on the citizen to deal with their leafs. But then the City of Elgin banned leaf burning, (even though it is still legal in Kane County) and instituted its taxpayer funded leaf pick-up programs.

    During the 2011 budget task force meetings, it was disclosed that the City’s direct labor expenses for collecting leafs every fall was about $450,000 per year. That ignores the capital expenses for purchasing huge truck mounted leaf vacuums and leaf loaders and worker’s compensation claims for injuries sustained by city employees who get injured in these physically intensive labors while operating potentially hazardous equipment. To eliminate leaf burning, we instead have Diesel trucks belching black smoke, and city employees making roughly $60,000 and $70,000 per year going around picking up leafs. (City payroll figures for 2013 will be supplied separately.)

    Question 14a: Should the City get out of the leaf collecting business and tell the citizens that they can bag, mulch or burn their leafs as they see fit?
    Question 14b: Should the City get out of the leaf collecting business and put leaf collection out for bid to a private contractor?

    • Margaret Miller says:

      So what, it’s not my question, I’m am not a member of Octave and I don’t subscribe to the liberal collective group think that government is the answer to problems.

  43. bw says:

    MM,

    I told you your question was moot. That means there us no question to answer. Were not interested in any feedback from you. How can I get you to understand. You have no business in our post. Butt out.!

    • Margaret Miller says:

      LOL! Got ya Dave, and there were several questions directed to you.

      Have you done anything to help yourself beside contacting the government?

        • Chuck Keysor says:

          I mentioned this once before, but for those who missed it, you can go to the Elgin OCTAVE website, and see the Candidate Questionnaire with all of the answers provided by the candidates. It is a bit awkward reading the spread sheet on line, so an email address is provided to contact us. Send us an email, and we will send you the completed candidate questionnaire PDF. This will make it much easier for you to read the document.

          And, when the video of the forum is posted on Youtube, I will post the appropriate links here, as well as on our website.

          Thanks, Chuck

        • Margaret Miller says:

          Your scheming to spend my money is my business.

  44. bw says:

    According to the Alzheimer’s Association, Dementia accounts for 60-80 of all Alzheimer’s Disease, and every 67 seconds a new case develops. More than 5 million Americans are living with the disease. More than 500,000 died each year, the 6th cause of death in the U.S. One in three seniors dies from Alzheimer’s or another dementia. In 2013, 15.5 million caregivers provided an estimated 17.7 billion hours of unpaid care valued at more than $220 billion. The burden of dementia will continue to grow as the population continues too age. Living with Dementia: Impact on Individuals, Caregivers, Communities and Societies should be a concern on every unit of local government as it is just one example of healthcare cost vulnerable senior’s on fixed incomes must meet. When the administration decides to raise revenues by adding new fees, it hurts everyone especially people on fixed income. I’m looking for candidates who are repeal minded on existing fees. We know the senior population purchase a 30 day supply of a medication and make it last 60 days by taking a pill every other day. If they did not have the extra fees, the could take the medication as directed. Senior’s have the opportunity in making a difference in the April election by voting for candidates who are senior minded. The time is ripe now. Let every candidate where you stand, it is your future.

    • paul says:

      “I’m looking for candidates who are repeal minded on existing fees.”

      But not the fee for the free leaf pick-up program! GIVEN you certainly want to increase the cost to the city of Elgin for their leaf pick-up services.

      As a convicted felon, do you get to vote?

      • bw says:

        PAUL,

        As a convicted felon, do you get to vote? You’re smart to know the answer to that. For those who don’t the answer us yes.

        Yeah, but your embellishment of a million dollars from the Elgin township taxpayers was a take.
        Paul, you lie, Elgin Township taxpayers did not lose one cent. My bonding company paid a million dollars back to the Township. In addition, I lost my pension. At $3000/mo I would have collected every month since May of 1993. Over $600,000 to date. I collected nothing. I bet that makes you happy. For those who are interested OHIO CASUALTY filed a lawsuit in Federal Court against several Elgin banks to recoup part of the funds they paid to the township. The cause of action was they knew or should have known about my actions. That lawsuit was settled by those involved. Bottom line, stop lying Paul. Only post what you know to be the truth.

        • paul says:

          “Paul, you lie”

          So you did NOT embezzlement a million from Elgin township for which you were felony convicted!!!

          No, wait. You DID. Where is the lie, felony Dave? Lying about lying - is that what you learned in prison, Felony Dave?

          “I collected nothing. I bet that makes you happy. ”

          Indeed it does. Elected township officials collecting $3000 monthly pensions is yet another theft from the taxpayers.

          “filed a lawsuit in Federal Court against several Elgin banks to recoup part of the funds they paid to the township. The cause of action was they knew or should have known about my actions.”

          So Elgin banks were responsible for you stealing Elgin township funds!!!

          “recoup part of the funds”

          So you never did pay back the funds the judge required you to pay back, did you!

          • bw says:

            Paul,

            I answered your lying remarks in my last post. Dementia is a serious condition where people fail to understand. It sounds like you fall in that area. Maybe you just do not get it. I put it in plain 5th grade English. I think you need too see a doctor ASAP.

          • RS says:

            Please no more discussion about bw’s past. It has been discussed here before and there is no new information or new arguments to be made.

            Both of you need to mind the comment policy.

  45. bw says:

    JENNIFER,

    I know where you’re coming from in your above post.I agree with the blog you posted. I’m sure we will see more in the coming months. Keep you eyes and ears open.

  46. bw says:

    Thank you, RS,

    • bw says:

      Dave Kaptain, four more years of positive leadership.

      • Cruex says:

        “Dave Kaptain, four more years of positive leadership.”

        Wow bw. Can you mention one example of leadership from the past 4 years? Who or what has he been positive leading the past 4 years? Most of Elgin could not pick Kaptain out of a police lineup.

        • bw says:

          Cruex,

          He walked with a group of Century Oaks residents and got our roads surfaced with new blacktop. That is called leadership.

  47. bw says:

    Cruex,

    We are all entitled to our own opinion. I will be adding F. John Steffen as soon as he post his campaign page to FB. The other two spots are up for grabs. In this day and age experience is a big factor when elected candidates. There all fine individuals but do not belong on the city council. I keep going back and forth on the other two. I think police departments all over the nation are being called racist. Some people have have strong feelings about that issue. Powell is entitled to her own opinion. That is not an issue in this election.

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Dave, why don’t you talk to your favorite candidates, and ask them to put your name on their literature as an official endorser of their campaign? Chuck

      • bw says:

        Chuck,

        I have candidate’s calling me everyday for an endorsement. Your name on Jeff Meyer literature did not help him. What did he lose by, 3000 votes. You’re lucky Anna is not running in April. Kaptain, Steffen, and Powell will do fine with or without me.

        • paul says:

          “I have candidate’s calling me everyday for an endorsement.”

          Seriously, LMAO.

          Please, tell. Exactly WHO wants the convicted felon endorsement?

          They’re probably calling Farnham, too!!!

          • bw says:

            RS
            January 24, 2015 at 3:56 pm

            Please no more discussion about bw’s past. It has been discussed here before and there is no new information or new arguments to be made.

            Both of you need to mind the comment policy.

            That means you Paul!!!

          • paul says:

            So now you are a convicted felon? But you said I lied!
            What was it you were babbling about Dementia?

            Yeah, if only this was google Europe and your past could magically be erased. Then you wouldn’t have to claim it was the banks’ fault you embezzled $1 million from Elgin township AND claim your embezzlement was actually beneficial to Elgin township taxpayers. We certainly never discussed that before!

            Now that was JAW dropping.

  48. Chuck Keysor says:

    Dave, I bet a lot of people would love to know who is calling you for an endorsement.

    I am proud to have helped Jeff Meyer in last year’s election. In that regard, here are two notes you and the other liberals need to know:

    1)In the City of Elgin’s video center, go to the 11/19/14 Committee of the Whole, the 11:50 time mark. Hear the City Manager complain about the “minimum manning” bill, and the money that he and the Fire Chief say that the State’s minimum manning bill, HB 5485 may cost the City. They gave the figure of $790,853/year. The City Manager said these types of programs are bad for the City, and he urged people to protest this bill.

    In this public session he said this bill was co-sponsored Senator Noland, and in the House Anna Moeller voted for this in April! Candidate Meyer pointed out that this bill was bad for Elgin’s taxpayers, and that after Anna was appointed to the House, she abandoned her interests in the City in favor of following Madigan’s marching orders to support the minimum manning bill.

    Jeff Meyer would not have sold out the taxpayers of Elgin on this, or any other issues.

    2)Jeff didn’t loose because he was an unqualified candidate. He lost because he had a big R by his name on the ballot, so that you and the other democratic robots voted against him.

    Look at the precinct results, and you will see that in roughly 2 to 1 proportion, Quinn beat Rauner in the precincts in which Meyer ran. If a precinct will go for Quinn, that is a precinct that would have even voted again for Anna’s predecessor had he suddenly been able to get back on the ballot, as long as he had a D by his name, that is all you need to win in Elgin.

    Just like in Chicago, where State Rep Derrick Smith was caught by the FBI accepting a $7,000 bribe, and still get re-elected! He got re-elected only because he has a D by his name. Even Jesse White campaigned against State Rep. Smith, and he still won! All he needed was a D by his name on the ballot. Elgin is now just as bad.

    Anna won because she had a D by her name on the ballot and Jeff lost because he had an R by his name. So the fact that Jeff lost is not an invalidation of his quality as a candidate, and I am still glad to have supported him!

    Chuck

  49. bw says:

    Dave, I bet a lot of people would love to know who is calling you for an endorsement.
    ONLY i AND THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE CALLING ARE ENTITLED TO THAT INFORMATION.

    i do not want to hear all you bs why Jeff Meyer lost by over 3000 votes.
    You endorsed Meyer just like you are endorsing several candidates for the council. We all know what you want out of this election. Some of the candidates are not smart enough to know you are playing with their campaign. You could care less which of the candidates get elected just as long as you get a majority vote on the council. If I were a candidate I would question your motives. You want a 5-4 majority. You want 3 to get elected that will vote with Prigge and Gavin. At the end of the day it could still be a 6-3 majority. Stop using people to benefit your agenda Chuck. You have an up hill battle that is going to fall short. Kaptain, Steffen, Powell and Martinez know your plan. Their not going to stick their head in the sand. Go back to your drawing board.

  50. Chuck Keysor says:

    YIKES, I have been outted! How ever did you figure out that I want a conservative majority on the council??! I can hear jaws dropping across the city as readers gasp at your brilliance………. Chuck

    • bw says:

      Chuck,

      It is not the conservative majority that we fear. It is the “Tea Party” group that you represent that make our jaws drop.

  51. Cruex says:

    Wake up bw. Powell called our police racists right after she was elected and years before anyone ever heard of Ferguson Missouri! Look it up.

  52. bw says:

    Cruex,

    Powell is entitled to her own opinion no matter when she told the world about it. She is right in line with most blacks. Has nothing to do with Ferguson. There are racists all over the world. Just listen and read the news everyday. Give her credit for expression how she feels. I’m 78 years old. I have been hearing the racists matter for 60 years. I expect I will hear it until I die. Better look in the mirror, you may be surprised at what you see. Powell is one of the more intelligent members on the council.

    • Anonymous says:

      I think you mean African-American, Dave.

    • RS says:

      There is no consensus in this country (measured by Gallup) within the concerned community on the use of the terms “black” or “African-American.” Personally, since we don’t call white people European-Americans I see no reason to call blacks African-American. I don’t like verbose terms in general, but to me “black” seems so much simpler and there’s no reason it should be offensive. Likewise you don’t need to say Hispanic-American or Asian-American. If you say Hispanic or Asian in this country it’s assumed you are talking about Americans of an ethnic background. Otherwise if you are talking about foreign nationals, you would generally use a more specific term like Chinese, Japanese, Guatemalan, etc.

      I also oppose the use of terms like councilwoman, congresswoman, chairwoman etc because they all sound ridiculous. The proper terms are gender-neutral as far as I’m concerned.

      Unfortunately my name is neither Oxford nor Webster so I don’t have much of a say in this matter.

  53. Cruex says:

    Are you serious? There is no one in the galaxy who is seeking an endorsement from Dave Reinert. Even Rosamaria Martinez who has probably never heard of Dave Reinert. Thanks for the laugh of the century.

  54. Cruex says:

    bw, you make me laugh.

    “Powell is entitled to her own opinion no matter when she told the world about it.”

    The voters are also entitled to their own opinion. When the voters are reminded that Powell has been calling the police department racist for years they may not like that.

    “She is right in line with most blacks.”

    Thank you very much for telling us what “most blacks” are thinking. It’s nice to know you have “most blacks” figured out.

    “I have been hearing the racists matter for 60 years.”

    I’m sure you have. Peek at your previous quote for reinforcement of THAT ONE.

    “There are racists all over the world.”

    That’s true. But tell me, how do “most blacks” feel about that statement?

    “Powell is one of the more intelligent members on the council.”

    She may be. Her votes and opinions on our police department tell me otherwise.

    Any more great insights on Powell and “most blacks”?

  55. RS says:

    So…as I am kind of away from things right now I just noticed that NY State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver is being prosecuted for what kinda sounds like exactly what Illinois Speaker Mike Madigan has been doing all these years.

    This is Sheldon Silver:

    http://nypost.com/2015/01/23/sheldon-silvers-alleged-back-deals-with-nyc-real-estate-interests/

    Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver abused his power over rent-control regulations and real-estate tax abatements to secretly pocket at least $700,000 from a law firm run by his former Assembly counsel, the feds charged Thursday.

    Several years ago, Silver approached “two prominent developers of substantial properties in Manhattan” to hire the firm, which specializes in seeking property-tax reductions, Manhattan US Attorney Preet Bharara said.

    This is Michael Madigan:

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/164243/madigan-firm-got-1-7m-tax-break-for-contractor-its-partners

    Madigan says it wasn’t a conflict of interest for his law firm to win the tax breaks for Mesirow — which has been paid more than $9 million over the past five years to manage state pension funds that now total more than $300 million and another $5.2 million for financial and insurance services to the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority and other state agencies.

    The speaker also says he’s done nothing to help Mesirow — where his son Andrew Madigan is a company vice president — get state business. The speaker’s son started at Mesirow as an intern in 2008. Mesirow says he now works in “business development for all lines of insurance,” often involving suburbs including Blue Island, Burbank and Cicero.

    Madigan’s six-lawyer firm specializes in getting property-tax cuts for Chicago skyscrapers, hotels, shopping malls, car dealers and many others. Mesirow is one of the few clients that has contracts with the state of Illinois.

    Too bad there is no Preet Bharara in Chicago…

  56. bw says:

    paul
    January 29, 2015 at 12:17 pm
    RS,

    I THINK PAUL SHOULD BE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POST ANYMORE. HE HAS BEEN WARNED BY YOU SEVERAL TIMES.

    So now you are a convicted felon? But you said I lied!
    What was it you were babbling about Dementia?

    Yeah, if only this was google Europe and your past could magically be erased. Then you wouldn’t have to claim it was the banks’ fault you embezzled $1 million from Elgin township AND claim your embezzlement was actually beneficial to Elgin township taxpayers. We certainly never discussed that before!

    Now that was JAW dropping.

  57. bw says:

    Toby Shaw would better serve the community by keeping his religion remarks to himself.

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150103/news/150109671/

  58. Cruex says:

    Does anyone know what this woman has done since being appointed?

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Citizens-for-Rose-Martinez/375580889270800?ref=profile

    • bw says:

      Cruex,

      Most likely more then Toby Shaw did in the two years he will soon have serves. Which was little or nothing. He fills a seat and votes yes on safe issues.

      • Cruex says:

        bw, you forgot to answer the question but don’t feel badly, cuz their is no answer. Rosamaria has done nothing except take the free ride provided by the liberals. Another quality endorsement from the savvy bw!

      • Cruex says:

        “Most likely more then Toby Shaw did in the two years he will soon have serves.

        Is that your “honest answer”? You don’t know so you say “most likely”? LOL. Shouldn’t you have one specific? You don’t have one to mention and neither does Rosamaria because one doesn’t exist. Yes, yes there must be plenty of people knocking on your door for endorsements! I’ll guess probably the same amount of voters who will ask you who to vote for.

    • Anonymous says:

      HEY } BW . . When it comes to Steffen? 8 whole years of barely saying anything is enough!! HEY big spender take a hike! Leadership is not spending my money like crazy and he’s done too much of that. His time has come to pack ye ol’ bags.

      • bw says:

        SORRY, HE WILL RUN NUMBER ONE. HE HAS A NAME THAT VOTERS RECOGNIZE. READ HIS CHARTS THEY ARE FULL OF INFO.

  59. Margaret Miller says:

    Let’s chat about Elgin’s “Home Rule”.

    Illinois law provides for an advisory (non-binding, no legal effect) initiative process on questions of public policy. A binding referendum is required on limited matters, such as tax levies and bonds (Chap 10 Election Code, Art. 28). Residents of home-rule counties and cities may change their form of government or revert to general law governance by initiative. While mostly formal, this process can have some effects on policy. For example, under the general law, city governments face greater restrictions on raising taxes. Thus, switching from home-rule to general law can help limit tax increases.

    http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2014/12/home-rule-most-insidious-form-of-government-in-the-united-states.html

    Without the controls of a local charter or constitution, and with citizens stripped of their right to vote on city issues, so-called Home Rule in Illinois empowers politicians to:

    1) Raise taxes without citizen permission.
    2) Impose new taxes in the form of fees, licenses, and regulations.
    3) Expedite seizures of private property.
    4) Give city property to private interests without competitive bidding.
    5) Take greater control over citizens’ lives, livelihoods, property, and liberty.

    The solution: Local taxpayer groups in Home Rule municipalities need to mount a massive educational campaign to alert the taxpayers in their areas, and must run a well-organized petition drive to place the issue of repealing Home Rule on the local ballot. Taxpayers United of America has used TEF’s Home Rule research to educate the public for nearly four decades, resulting in 206 victories against Home Rule in Illinois. Dismantling Home Rule unlimited taxing power will take research, education, and organization to fight back against the bureaucrats – but it can be done.

    The full report can be found at http://citydesk.us/homerule.html

  60. bw says:

    MM:

    Why don’t you take upon yourself to mount that massive campaign and organize a drive to place the issue of repealing Home Rule since you’re so concern about the issue? You always want someone else to do your work.

    • One Vote says:

      Margaret is more politically active than 107,000 Elgin residents.
      Why don’t you leave her alone?

      • bw says:

        One Vote:

        You and her can be co-chairmen on the Home Rule project.

        • Chuck Keysor says:

          Happy February Dave Reinert aka bw! Chuck

          • bw says:

            Chuck Keysor:

            So Anonymous is your posting. You can join MM in her fight to rid the community of Home Rule. RS says:Pick one name and stick with it.

          • Chuck Keysor says:

            Dave, I wasn’t the anonymous poster. I practice what I preach (and what you used to preach too before you became bw). Chuck

    • Margaret Miller says:

      One Vote:
      Thank you and have a safe day!

      Dave (aka bw):
      What’s your problem? I made a post asking for a discussion. You sound like the liberals on the Council back in October shutting down Councilman Gavin’s request for a simple, non binding discussion on the Responsible Bidder’s Ordinance. What we know, all too well, is that if the liberals don’t like the issue because they could possibly lose votes, contributions or set themselves on the opposite side of a liberal cause, they shut down the discussion. That’s selfish and not looking out for the best interests of the taxpaying citizens.

      I never asked anyone to do a thing but tried to open a new discussion. I certainly can think for myself, not needing or requiring your assistance to make a personal decision on any of my possible future actions.

      As far as my wanting someone else to do my work, that doesn’t happen. My work is my own however, you looking for someone else to work and pay for your leaf clean up is looking for someone else to do YOUR work. You’re unsolicited suggestion to me stems from your anger that I suggested to you to form a group to assist you and other senior citizens with their leaves. How sad and transparent

      Lastly, for you to accuse Chuck of using any name other than his own is ludicrous. He has always operated in the daylight while you remain in the dark, until recently. So since we all know now that bw is Dave, why don’t you just start posting under your own name?

      • bw says:

        MM;

        Another post that offers few ideas from the Chuck Keysor’s co-host via the Elginite’s Website social media board. If you’re going to use this board to push your agenda please post some content that has some meaning that includes the whole community. Your post targets one person. I find it kind of shallow.

        • Margaret Miller says:

          Oh Dave,

          You astonish me at every post.
          Did you bother to go to the links (two provided) and possibly educate yourself? My guess is no as you always want someone else to do your work.

          You are funny and becoming quit discredited as your posts often target just me. As for pushing an agenda, who is it on this board that continues to post the liberal candidates FB page. Kettle meet black.

          • bw says:

            MM:

            You, Chuck Keysor, One Vote, Cruex, or Paul are not member’s of my inner circle. There is no way I could ever please you in this life. I have someone much bigger then your whole group. He takes me from the valley to the top of the highest mountain. When I go to bed each night, after a productive day, I know HE will protect me throughout the night and wake me up to do His will. There will be those people I should avoid. I get my peace of mind from His grace and mercy. I will move ahead, in my faith, backing those candidate’s He has guided me to choose for a better community for all too live there lifestyle.

  61. elginkevin says:

    On March 5th the Citizen’s Advisory Council of U-46 will hold a candidate forum for U-46 School Board of education. The forum will begin at 7pm and be held in the Streamwood High School auditorium.

    At this point all but one candidate has accepted our invitation.

    We will update http://www.u46cac.org/ with more information as it becomes available.

  62. RS says:

    The January open thread is now closed. Please move the discussion to the February open thread.

    http://elginite.org/blog/2015/02/01/february-open-thread-6/