Home » Featured

October open thread

1 October 2013 Elgin Illinois 173 Comments

Monster Mash-Up, Elgin IL Monster Mash-Up, Elgin IL (Photo by The Elginite).

Monthly open thread for October. Discuss what you want!

Possibly related posts:

1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars
Loading ... Loading ...

173 Responses to “October open thread”

You can subscribe to these comments via RSS.

  1. Margaret Miller says:

    Let’s kick over another month.

    Come out to the Elgin City Council meeting on Wednesday - October 9.

    150 Douglas at 6:00 pm

    Come on out and speak about the Bike Trails.
    Sign up to speak in the Recognized Person’s Present portion of the meeting.

  2. Capitalist Pig says:

    Good Morning;

    It’s amusing to watch Obama ply the Law of Peremptory Accusation against the Republicans. That’s the law kids use that says you always accuse the other person of doing what you are doing before he has the chance to accuse you.

    Obama is accusing the Republicans of shutting down the government, while all they want to do is shut off Obamacare, which far less than half the people want. Amazing how tyrants don’t care anything about much exalted “democracy” or “majority rule” when they don’t get their way.

    WARNING: This statement is not to be taken as an endorsement of the Republican Party. They’re as shamelessly self-promoting as the Democrats, they just happen to be right on this one thing.

  3. bw says:


    WARNING: This statement is not to be taken as an endorsement of the Republican Party. They’re as shamelessly self-promoting as the Democrats, they just happen to be right on this one thing.

    You are entitled to your own opinion. I disagreee with you as the GOP has held our government back since Obama became President. History will show that the USA wanted a health care law for a long, long time. When a law is passed and the Supreme Court agrees that it is constitutional the GOP ought accept that as a foundation for national health care. The law may have to be changed in some areas but right now it is a health care law that the country needs so everyone has a safety net. Change those parts that will make the law stronger. The GOP has not offered anything better for all Americans. The GOP don’t like Obama so they don’t like anything he signs into law. Roe v. Wade is a law the GOP don’t like but it is the law of the land. The GOP would kill that law if they could. The right to choose is between any woman and her God. No one has the right to tell another human what they must do with their own body. “God Bless America.”

  4. Margaret Miller says:

    As I posted about 8 months ago on this site, the news doesn’t get better.

    Movin’ on out… of Illinois
    United Van Lines is one of the largest moving companies in the United States.  Each year since 1978, it has reported its annual migration study, which tracks the share of outbound moves in interstate shipments for the entire 48 continental United States. 

    For Illinois, the share of outbound moves in total shipments has consistently been above 50 percent, meaning more households are moving out of state than into the state. Since 2006, that outbound shipments percentage has trended higher, and in 2011, Illinois “led” the nation on this metric, ranking as the No. 1 state. It slipped to No. 2 in 2012, barely trailing New Jersey (coincidentally, another state with pressing government fiscal strains).

    The accelerating outmigration from Illinois isn’t just a Midwest-to-Sunbelt issue.  For example, chart here shows how Indiana has seen significant improvement since 2009 – in part as outmigration from Illinois has included moves to Indiana.


  5. Capitalist Pig says:


    Just wondering if you were able to review any of the information on Britain’s healthcare service in response to your comment yesterday? My response to you is the last September post.

    If you feel the GOP has held Obama back in anyway, then again I would applaud the GOP. My opinion is that they have not taken further legal action against his administration.

    I won’t get into what I feel was the reason Justice Roberts flip flop his vote but to say it may have had something to do with NSA.

    As for a safety net, I provide my own and offer charity to others. As I mentioned to you last evening, I’m not interested in paying for someone’ tummy tuck, nor job or enhancement. It seems that just recently in our history people have gotten use to government handouts/entitlements and have their hand out for whatever is “FREE”. By doing this they enslave themselves to the government and become unable to fend for themselves in any way. Their brains turn to mush and then guess what, they get reprogrammed via Common Core. I have no desire of being a ward of the state in anyway shape or form!

    The prepared will be calm and stand ready. The ones who are slaves to the government will be the ones breaking the windows and screaming “HELP ME FEMA” but FEMA won’t be there as history has already proven.

    Regarding Roe - v - Wade:
    Firstly, Well, at least the GOP is consist in their belief system.
    I never even brought this specific issue up but interesting that you did out of the entire ObamaCare bill and the ramifications once implemented. Some examples I offered you in my earlier post.  How did you apply reason in your selection of this example? That law has been in effect since 1975 in Illinois. It has nothing to do with ObamaCare other than the continuation of taxpayer support to Planned Parenthood.  

    Sidebar: Don’t forget that even McCorvey (under the alias Jane Roe) has renounced her decision and Obama supports infanticide. Just in case you want to argue with that information, I will provide you the link that offers his record on this issue for you to review. http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/24/politics/fact-checking-gingrich-infanticide-charge.

  6. bw says:

    Regarding Roe - v - Wade:
    Firstly, Well, at least the GOP is consist in their belief system.
    I never even brought this specific issue up but interesting that you did out of the entire ObamaCare bill and the ramifications once implemented. Some examples I offered you in my earlier post. How did you apply reason in your selection of this example? That law has been in effect since 1975 in Illinois. It has nothing to do with ObamaCare other than the continuation of taxpayer support to Planned Parenthood.

    Just to remind you what the GOP would do as part of their political agenda if they had the chance. Lucky for us they will never get that opportunity. I thought you had the smarts to figure my mention of Roe v, Wade is in the back of their pea brain minds. The same as Obamacare. All a part of their political agenda. It always has been; it always will be. In 2014 they will no longer control the House. Because America is fed up with their nonsense agenda.

    • Capitalist Pig says:


      You have not addressed any of the information that I offered you to review. If you want to have a discussion regarding issues, I will be happy to engage with you however, your lack of on topic response has left me questioning your knowledge of the issue and your motives.

      Is there any substance behind your words or do you throw out meanness and the first thing that crosses your mind jumping to your own defense?

      I believe you are under a misconception of how the 2014 elections will fair out. In any case, please start paying attention to the Democrats in the House that are turning on Obama’s agenda. It sure is a telling of the sign of the times.

      Anyway, if you wish to continue a higher level of conversation and debate, let me know.

      • bw says:


        Your immature response tells me that you are not capable to debate any issue posted on this board. You post statements that are not true. I need a creditable person to debate. I don’t need a bias person that will post points that lack substance. At 77 I forgot more than you wwil ever know.

        • bw says:


        • Capitalist Pig says:


          Well it’s a shame you didn’t use the wisdom of your years to address any information I offered. I was hoping you wouldn’t have given up on yourself so early in the discussion.

          Take care

  7. Cruex says:

    There is a very disturbing article in the Courier News about the possible renaming of Sheridan School after the father of a current U-46 board member. Sheridan School was named after a Civil War General. There is no reason to rename a perfectly good school. I do not know enough about Mr. O’Neal except to say if he is worthy of a school’s naming let it be a new school and
    not an existing one. It’s time for the VFW members to step in and stop this. Shame on former teacher and lifetime U-46 pensioneer Ralph Vaughan for making this nomination. He should know better and realize there are many Sheridan graduates who still live here.

    • Katie says:

      If no one has heard or Mr. O’Neal my guess is that he’s not made his mark on Elgin as Sherman did the Confederacy.

      Forget it!
      Enough with the ego feeding.

    • What were they thinking? says:

      VFW stands for Veterans of Foreign Wars. According to my U-46 education, the the Civil War was a war between the states, not a foreign war. But I agree, there is nothing wrong with the name Sheridan.

    • One Vote says:

      Cato wrote: “I would rather men should as why no statue has been erected in my honor than why one has.”
      I knew Ron. He was a nice enough man. He gave respect to parents. He didn’t wear his race like some chip on his shoulder. (I wish I could say the same about his daughter Traci.)
      In one of his last years at Larsen the parents were getting rowdy at graduation. You know, the hooting and hollering after each name. Ron stopped right in the middle of the ceremony and told the parents to shut up or he’d end the program.
      I don’t know if that qualifies him for a school name.
      Gus Vaughn was one of Ron’s administrators.

      • RS says:

        Oops, looks like I got the wrong school. OK, so let’s not name anything at EHS after him :)

        • One Vote says:

          No, you didn’t get the wrong school.
          O’Neal was at Sheridan (the one they are trying to rename) AND Larsen AND Elgin High.
          His wife was also a principal in U46.
          And they were on a national morning show (Debra Norvill, maybe?) a few years back talking about adults with ADD. Both of them were afflicted with it.
          Mrs. One Vote recalls that at a Larsen dance Ron laid across a table and stayed there throughout the dance (awake). No one got in or out of the dance without Ron knowing about it.

          • RS says:


            The current Sheridan Elementary school building opened its doors in 1973. The original school, built in 1888, was called Hill Street School. In 1898, it was renamed Sheridan Elementary School to honor Philip Henry Sheridan, a Civil War Union general who died the same year the school was built…

            “He was the first black administrator in the district, that says something for him right there,” he added. “There are a lot of people within the community that got to know him and saw how he worked with kids and with them.”

            The town-hall meeting will begin at 6 p.m. Oct. 15 in the gymnasium at Sheridan, 510 Franklin Blvd. Written comments can be submitted by visiting u-46.org or sent via email to info@u-46.org.

            Mr. O’Neal does seem like a great guy who deserves recognition. I don’t know the best way to do it. At least they are not trying to rename Elgin High School.

  8. Tim Palmer says:

    There was a fire at a house on May St. yesterday. I was told 15 people lived in the house. Where can I find out if that is true?

    • paul says:

      ” I was told 15 people lived in the house. Where can I find out if that is true?”

      Try from the person who told you in the first place!

    • paul says:

      I was told by the Hispanic American citizens living many decades (40 years!) next door to that house that a very hard working Hispanic husband and wife with their two children were the ONLY ones living in that house, where they have lived for many years. They also told me the problems in their neighborhood stem from non-Hispanic drug dealing gang-banging American citizens living across the street.
      Another Mexican American citizen friend of mine in his 80’s (Korean War veteran) is helping them out. How about you, Tim?

      The plan is they will rebuild right there! Apparently they must own the property!

      • Tim says:

        Nice try, completely believable tale you’ve woven there.

        • paul says:

          What a piece of work you are, Tim Palmer. A house burns down in Elgin and you express absolutely no concern whatsoever for the safety or well being of your fellow Elginites affected in this tragedy.
          Your ONLY concern regarding this human tragedy is attempting to score some bigoted racist points as to the number of people that might have been living in the house that burnt down.
          You scored your points, Tim, speaking volumes about who and what you are.

      • Tim Palmer says:

        Hey Paul I hope you have proof that the next door neighbors are Hispanic American citizens like you write. How did you get that information? Oh I know they must have told you so believe them. Do you know if the hard working husband and wife are citizens? There are plenty of illegals living here a long time like you write. I will believe my source that 15 were living there until a credible person says different.

        • paul says:

          “I will believe my source that 15 were living there until a credible person says different.”

          What a bigoted racist person believes matters nothing. NOTHING.

          P.S. The next door neighbor is Puerto Rican.

          P.P.S. It is not illegal for 15 people to live in a house. You lose again. AT least you are consistent.

          • Anonymous says:

            Hey poor paul, you make plenty of claims but you cannot prove them. I asked questions but you make statements as if they are facts with no proof at all. Did you read the newspaper buddy? Nobody fellow elginites died or were hurt so I know about the safety or well being and there was no human tragedy unless you think houses are human! And let me ask you something mister paul is there only one race of people that overcrowd houses? Which one would that be? So where are the racist points? Some houses are big enough to have 15 people living in them legally I will grant you that but does that mean this house on May St. is one of them? I don’t think you know where May St. is. And don’t forget this one. You did not answer the question I asked you about how you know the neighbors and the people in the house are citizens. How do you know the neighbor is Puerto Rican even! You may be just a good guesser to fit your style. Now don’t go getting all mad mister paul because you have already been kicked out of here once for a month. LOL.

          • paul says:

            “How do you know the neighbor is Puerto Rican even! ”

            Because I know him!!!! Retired from employment with the State of Illinois. Nacho, short for Ignatius. Knock on his door and tell him you are a bugs bunny maroon verifying his citizenship.

            “you make statements as if they are facts ”

            My statements are facts UNTIL you prove otherwise.

            “is there only one race of people that overcrowd houses? Which one would that be?”

            No. But I guarantee based on your previous commentary that you believe illegal Mexicans are the ones crowding into residential housing in Elgin.

            “I don’t think you know where May St. is. ”

            See my previous post: ‘What a bigoted racist person believes matters nothing. NOTHING.” Now it is less than nothing and add ignorant and uneducated to your profile.

            “there was no human tragedy”

            Families getting burned out of their homes might differ with you.

            I really got your panties in a wad, eh Anon!

          • Tim Palmer says:

            hey poor paul, the anonymous post was from me Tim Palmer. A home on fire where nobody dies is a property loss not a human tragedy buddy. Death from a fire IS a human tragedy. How about I let you do more talking about illegal Mexicans and I’ll just say I heard 15 PEOPLE lived in the home and you can go on classifing them as Mexicans. You still don’t say how you know or if you know the people in the house are legal citizens. You don’t know you just want them to be or assume they are because they have been here for a long time.

          • paul says:

            “the anonymous post was from me”

            Yeah, that was way more than obvious. Tim.

            “You still don’t say how you know”

            How do I know them???? How do I know anyone! WTF?

            And now your central argument is whether people having their home burn down is a human tragedy or not a human tragedy!

            “I’ll just say I heard 15 PEOPLE lived in the home”

            Go with that, stick with that, Tim. I don’t care, and it really doesn’t matter EXCEPT it speaks volumes about you.
            Incredible, really.

  9. Katie says:

    Actually, the war of Northern Aggression. He was brutal on his fellow citizens and was known for his scorched earth policy.

    • RS says:

      Yes but he’s not extremely controversial (he was on the winning side and the victors write the history) and there are a lot of students who went through that school. Changing the name is pretty disrespectful to everybody who went there.

      It won’t be long before they build another school somewhere else so if the board thinks they can justify naming a school after an administrator/teacher/principal then they should do it then. Personally I think they should name schools after poets, writers, scientists etc. Politicians and generals are already too glorified and a school principal is, well, are they that important? Ron O’Neal is specifically associated with Elgin High School so if they want to memorialize him somehow why not find something there to name after him? Playing fields, auditoriums, scholarships, etc. There must be something that doesn’t have a name yet.

  10. Harmony says:

    Tim, I would call the fire department and ask to speak investigation person handling this fire. I wouldn’t call the code department they don’t know that there was a fire at that address. Total lack of communication between departments.

  11. Capitalist Pig says:

    Interesting read:


    Government Shutdown - Creating a Paradigm Shift

    By Steven Laib on Oct 2, 2013 | In Spending & Taxes, Congress, Health Care, Culture - Government, Government programs.

    If it is handled correctly a government shutdown can be exactly what America needs.

    On Tuesday, October 1st I was perusing the sports page of the San Francisco Chronicle on my iPad. Old habits die hard where sports teams are concerned. My eye was caught by a link in the sidebar with a headline to the effect that the government shutdown had started because Congress had “failed to avert disaster.” Once again the sky is falling the world will end and we are all going to die - or maybe not.

    The truth of the matter is that a government shutdown isn’t all that much of a big deal. While Nancy Pelosi says that there isn’t a single area where the government budget can be cut, she is wrong. The proof of the matter is that the people who will be laid off during the shutdown are considered “non-essential”; that is, unnecessary. If they are unnecessary, one has to wonder why they were hired in the first place.

    The total number of people laid off approximates 800,000. It isn’t a small number, but it isn’t a disastrous number, either; especially because these people are government employees, many of whom do nothing to create value in an economy. It is very different from a for-profit business where everyone is supposed to create marketable value. Government employees are under no such requirement.

    In fact, the effects on the average person will be minor or non-existent. The sequestration threats of some months ago should provide an ample illustration of what will happen. We got by with a smaller government in the past and we can again. It just requires a will to do so. The positive side of it all comes into play if the Republican leadership does its job and makes sure that the shutdown continues indefinitely, unless there is total capitulation from Obama. And I do mean TOTAL.

    The base problem is a government that is ineffective and inefficient, and which doubles down on the ineffectiveness - Repeatedly. But if we assume a shutdown that lasts a minimum of six months what happens? First of all, media outlets and government pundits who scream disaster at every opportunity will gradually lose their effectiveness. Life, the universe and everything will continue unabated. Eventually this will become the “new normal” and people will wonder why the screams of disaster occurred at all.

    Second, most, if not all, government employees will eventually have to find alternative employment. This means the private sector. There they will have to sink or swim; they will learn how the rest of us live. As they are absorbed into the private economy we learn to live without their presence as government functionaries and they learn to live as private employees. It becomes part of the new normal.

    As society adjusts to the new normal of smaller and less intrusive government, the government’s credibility takes an even bigger hit than it has so far. All that John Boehner and Ted Cruz need to do is point out how life is continuing and that the vast majority of Americans are unaffected. Then, they relax, stand firm, and point at the authoritarians who are handing out exemptions (around 1200 at last count) to themselves and their politically connected cronies while oppressing individual Americans.

    In the end, the longer the shutdown lasts the stronger opposition to big government will be and the more convincing small government arguments will become. It will likely enable Conservative / Libertarian interests to catapult to new levels of popularity and could create a new American Revolution based on a return to founding principles of limited government. That is the paradigm shift. But first, the House of Representatives must refuse to budge, and they must also refuse to increase the debt limit. John Boehner made this mistake several times before. He must not repeat it now.

    By forcing America to confront the facts; by refusing to go along with the statist agenda; by proving that the fear-mongers are con-artists, Main Street America can win. But it will take leadership to do so. What America needs is a government that does only the essentials; a government that sees its job ONLY as providing an environment of ordered liberties in which the people are free to pursue their individual priorities reasonably free from interference from foreign enemies and domestic criminals. Government must realize that part of its job is to limit itself; it is not supposed to grow in size and destructiveness without limitation like The Blob did in that old movie.

    President Lincoln referred, in his Gettysburg Address, to a government by the people. In our present situation we no longer see government by the people. Anyone who suggests that government is too big and needs to be put on a diet is called an anarchist. The Constitution designates a Republic as our form of government. The President is supposed to serve the best interest of the people. A shutdown, particularly a protracted and lengthy one will starve the government leviathan, and will be in the long term, best interest of the people. The House of Representatives is presently doing the people’s work, attempting to restore popular sovereignty to a reality, rather than a fiction that is given lip service, but has no reality. This reversal of policy direction has taken a century to occur; it should be applied further. We have a shutdown of unnecessary services accomplished. Now we need a refusal to raise the federal debt limit. That won’t be the end of the world, either.

    • RS says:

      Let’s try to keep the posts Elgin-related from now on. The monthly open threads are already a bit unmanageable with 200+ posts just talking about Elgin.

    • bw says:

      The House of Representatives pass a bill today to pay the 800.000 laid off government workers for lost wages due to the shut down. The
      Senate is expected to approve the bill next week. I read that as giving the laid off workers a vacation with pay. The only people in America hurt by the shut down are those who receive some sort of service from those parts of the government that have been shut down. If I were a laid off government worker and knew I was going to be paid for the time the government is shut down, I would not be in a hurry to return to my government job. A month off work with pay is a nice perk.

      • Margaret Miller says:

        bw says…

        “If I were a laid off government worker and knew I was going to be paid for the time the government is shut down, I would not be in a hurry to return to my government job. A month off work with pay is a nice perk.”

        Margaret says…

        “And there lies the problem with government workers and 51% of the country.”

  12. Capitalist Pig says:


    I understand your point. Maybe this will assist you.


    If I can contribute, let me know.

  13. Harmony says:

    Paul, I know that Nacho also, Nacho lives in South Elgin and owes rental property in Elgin. You said he was a neighbor but you didn’t say he lived there, interesting.

    • paul says:

      “Paul, I know that Nacho also, Nacho lives in South Elgin”

      Let me get this straight - in your mind the Nacho you “know” who lives on May Street doesn’t live on May Street because you know a Nacho who lives in South Elgin??? AND there can ONLY be one Nacho on Planet Earth.
      “interesting”, indeed!

      Seriously, thanks for the morning comedy routine. And on the plus side, you’ve removed ALL doubt as to the level of your intelligence. ALL DOUBT.

  14. Katie says:

    Did anyone have anything to say regarding the slanted Courier article…”Elgin Council to consider zoning changes to make way for senior housing improvements”. Where was the other side of the story?

    Did the writer ask the citizens or is he just reporting for the city?

    I’ll start off…its turning an already ghastly situation worse. Hey Elgin, is this the second coming of Cabrini Green or Robert Taylor Homes potentially bringing and all the troubles with it?

    Is this what we want on our Main Street? Does the Elgin citizens want this or is there something else behind it? More mass public housing in an area that is already over crowed.

    What say you Elgin?

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Hello Katie. Here is the other side of the story, some of which I presented at the Planning and Zoning hearing on 9/3/13, where there were maybe 15 people from the neighborhood who were opposed to this expansion. Maybe 8 of them spoke at the hearing expressing their disapproval of this project.

      And oddly, all the people who spoke in favor of this project signed in as residents of 120 S. State. So they were told by their landlord that this was a good project, and the HAE provided a bus to bring them all to the hearing.

      I have already met with City staff, an expert on HUD affairs, and a couple of councilmen to discuss my concerns.

      This is a rough draft of what I will send to the Mayor and Council within the next few hours. I have images that go with this text. I may send some of them to RS and see if he can post them.

      If you don’t like the project, please email the Mayor, City Council and City Manager! Anything can happen when no one speaks up.



      Dear Mayor Kaptain and Members of the Elgin City Council:

      There are big problems with the proposed expansion of the 120 S. State subsidized housing project:

      a) As senior housing, they are only required to have 1/2 parking stall for each apartment. But according to testimony at the Planning/Zoning hearing, they are going to add 14 market rate apartments, so there will be a total of 164 units when the project is done. But they have figured all the apartments at 1/2 parking stall per apartment, while I contend that the 14 market rate apartments should require the standard apartment code requirement of 2 parking spaces per unit. Instead of having the proposed 82 parking stalls for residents, they should have at least 103 for residents. There is no allowance for market rate parking spaces. Market rate tenants are much more likely to have cars. If these parking spaces aren’t provided, the market rate concept will fail.

      b)The Housing Authority of Elgin wants to increase the space for their office parking from the current 9 parking stalls, up to 20 to go with the increased office space in the new building. That would bring their total parking requirement up to 123 units. But their submitted plan is to have only 103 parking spaces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a short-fall of 20 parking spaces!

      c) About 1/2 of the first floor of the new building is supposed to be zoned for retail space. But there is NO parking allowance for the store in the new plan.

      d) Because there isn’t enough available land for sufficient parking, there also isn’t enough room to keep the present two way entrance/exit drive way connected to S. State Street. As a result, with the proposed new project, anyone leaving 120 S. State will have to drive through the parking lot of 104 S. State and exit via Locust Street. The intersection of S. State and Locust is curved, and it goes down hill, and is very close to a rail road crossing. And it is single lane in each direction. All of these factors make this a bad intersection that the residents and visitors to 120 S. State can presently avoid. S. State is flat and straight in front of 120 S. State, so their exit should remain in this location for safety sake.

      e) TODAY, there are already traffic tie-ups at the intersection of Locust and S. State when St. Edwards High lets out for the day. That takes place between 2:30 and 3:00PM every weekday during the school year. To a much lesser extent, the traffic also backs up during the morning and afternoon rush hours. Adding MORE traffic from the expanded offices, residences and store at 120 S. State will exacerbate this problem.

      f) The existing 120 S. State Housing Authority of Elgin building is well sited, sitting far back from the street. The open green space for public housing was probably a pioneering concept back in the late 1960s, when Chicago was building super high density public housing. And now, Chicago and the rest of the nation seem to have abandoned high density subsidized housing as a failed experiment. But what is Elgin’s public housing doing???? It is going in the REVERSE direction! It is increasing its density and eliminating much of its front lawn green space. Does this make any sense?

      Recommendations to the City Council and City Staff:

      1) Immediately deny the request for a store at 120 S. State. The mission of the HAE is public housing, not retail. And 120 S. State is one block from JJ Peppers and a 10 minute walk to Butera. And the current design has made NO allowance for retail parking.

      2) Immediately deny the request for added office space. That will eliminate the need for 11 parking spaces. AND Elgin is full of empty office space. The mission of the HAE is public housing, not office building.

      3) REQUIRE that 120 S. State must have its own direct entrance and exit onto S. State Street.

      4) To obtain the needed parking space AND setbacks AND two-way driveway: a) REDACTED b) build a parking deck on the present lot c) build parking into the basement of the new building d) make the new addition to 120 S. State be taller, thus requiring a much smaller foot print, thus saving land for parking, green space and storm water run-off. City Staff seems to feel tall buildings are a mistake. That is their personal opinion, and NOT code. (I personally find the placement of the 1960’s tall buildings on the river bluff to be very attractive). Of course b and c will costs lots of $$$$$$. And option a may take a long time But what is the rush?

      5) There is no compelling crisis that is demanding that this project at 120 S. State go at full speed. The only urgency is due to the HAE. Instead of committing an error that will mar Elgin for the next 60 years, step back and commission a strategic plan for the high density housing along this stretch of S. State Street.

      Thank you, Chuck Keysor

    • Bob says:

      The homepage of the Elgin Housing Authority has the resume of their director and administrators. Do you know where they’re all from? DETROIT! Thank you Elgin Housing Authority Board (Councilman John Steffen is one of them) for recruiting from the worst urban disaster in America. Detroit has come to Elgin. Thank you EHA. Thank you Councilman John Steffen. We look forward to coming back and touring the ruins in ten years.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Harmony, you will love this. There’s been a couch sitting in front of an adjacent house, near where the garbage is collected. It’s been approximately three weeks. No sticker. Just sitting there, hoping for a home. Now, the tricky part is that it’s situated between a few occupied residences, no doubt causing confusion as to who really put it there. What’s the protocol in this situation, I wonder? Oddly enough, I see code enforcement vehicles in the area all the time. At this point, it’s an experiment to see how much longer it will go on. Apparently if no one reports it, it can be left there for days, weeks, months, etc.

    • Margaret Miller says:


      Why don’t you e-mail Councilman Prigge. He’s takes speedy action regarding these types of things, especially on a main street.


      • SIE says:

        Really Margaret? On Code issues or anything city related? I can show you several emails to Mr. Prigee that never received a response. Apparently he picks and chooses which Elgin citizens to respond to/help.

        • Margaret Miller says:


          I will take you up on your offer. I will be at Fire Station #2 tomorrow as a CERT Volunteer, would like to meet you there? If not, let me know when you schedule allows for a meeting so you can share your information.

          Looking forward to hearing back from you.

  16. Jason Dusenberry says:

    That was me, forgot to log in

  17. Cruex says:


    “The city council oted (sic) 6-3 in favor of the EBL on October 9, 2013.”

    LOL. Wrong. Two 6-3 votes was taken. One was whether or not to stop the EBL immediately. The other was to ask city staff to do some research on the revenue generated from the EBL.
    Maybe your version of the event was told to you from mayor-elect Rauschenberger? That would explain the lack of accuracy.

    “Like it or not it was passed in a legal manner.”

    Nothing was “passed.”

  18. bw says:


    Go real the news media articles on the EBL issue so you know what you’re talking about. The vote on the two issues “passed” 6-3. My version of the event is correct. The vote in the minute’s will show it passed 6-3 on both issues. Knock off the nonsense!

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      bw, are you for real? People say you are really a white man in his 30s, and just engaging in a fantastic exercise in character acting. I just can’t see how a real person could mis-read so much so often. It makes it seem as though you are over-playing your part because you are not focusing on your character. Chuck

  19. bw says:


    I don’t need to read I can see what is going on right under our eyes. You only want to see thigs from your point of view. There are over 100,000 other citizens of Elgin who also have an opinion. You’re worse than the Tea Party members of congress. Rep. Paul, Cruz and Ryan don’t represent America. You don’t represent Elgin. You have many people fooled with your bs but they don’t know any better. You people are playing games with the city government. You have nothing better to do with your life. The city is doing just fine without your input. Your agenda don’t represent the majority of Elgin’s citizens. I have a solution for you. Keep your mouth shut!

  20. Capitalist Pig says:

    I am addressing bw from his/her post on the 120 State Street page.


    I don’t give one thought to how conservative you were 30 years ago. I personally don’t care. You certainly are not that now in my opinion. What in the world happened to you that you did a complete 180? Never mind, who has the time to listen to you about your life epiphany?

    What the heck dream world are you living in? If you think that human beings don’t bring into their jobs or circle of family and friends their Conservative or progressive liberal thinking you are gravely mistaken.

    There is no such thing as bi-partisan, ever! Its smoke and mirrors. People lean to the side of how they think, annualize or stratigize any issue. This is how they will get more votes, re-elected, receive money for their pocket for personal gain or pay back of a political favor. I would have thought that after all these years you would have grasped this. But never fear, the Conservatives are here to educate.

    Twice you have lived in the past with you post. 1) You were a mouth piece for the GOP 30 years ago. 2) Requesting I contact Mike Alft. When will you move forward in your thinking and see what the progressive liberals have done to this nation, then talk to me about bi-partisanship.

    As for the healthcare issue. Perhaps you suggestion that I misunderstood you. You made the suggestion and I rebutted with many sourced facts as to why not to do that. As a matter of fact I know people in every country you just mentioned. My friend in Montreal with Type 1 diabetes has to wait 8 months to see his doctor. My family and friends in Germany come to the US for treatment. My school hood friend who now teaches English in Japan comes to the US for treatment.

    Margaret Miller was correct, the country has changed, you just didn’t get the memo.

  21. Capitalist Pig says:


    Your post on the 120 State Street page made me laugh out loud! It was so funny I read it twice.

    I said… “Councilman Gavin, Prigge & Shaw should be applauded by the taxpayers. They are the ones looking out for us.”
    You said…”NO. They are not. Clearly, they are looking out for wealthy business owners at the expense of the taxpayers. THE EBL has generated over $1 million in revenue for the COE. That is $1 million the taxpayers don’t have to pay. If the EBL goes away the taxpayers WILL make up the difference. A $595 annual fee for large businesses is hardly onerous. Keep EBL, get rid of Gavin.”

    How funny, you showed no concern or appreciation at all for the tax payer’s in your line of thinking or your position when it came to the ESO did you? You sided with the Council members who supported the ESO tax payer bailout. You sided with the ESO and the bailout, an organization that does nothing for themselves except hold out their hand for money. You showed no support for the business owner. Are you holding out your hand to the business owners for the EBL?

    You accused Councilman Gavin of siding with the wealthy business owners. Are they the same business owners who didn’t support the ESO but have season tickets? You sided with the wealthy elite opposing the tax payer. If I remember correctly, the tax payer’s have contributed over $1.5 million over the last 10 years to the ESO. How are we going to make that up?

    There is a surplus of tax payer money upwards of $10 million dollars. That is the tax payer’s money caused by over taxation. Getting rid of the EBL would not have cause any hardship on anyone. In fact, it would have shown the Elgin businesses that the city was willing and open to look at streamlining the process as a positive. Instead they voted for more studies on a failed program in its current form.

    Councilmen Gavin, Prigge & Shaw supported the tax payer’s on both these issues. You supported the wealthy.

    Hey Paul, pick a side.

    • paul says:

      So many lies in a single post from CP.

      “There is a surplus of tax payer money upwards of $10 million dollars.”

      So reducing the surplus by eliminating the taxes paid by businesses, in your bizarro mind, is looking out for the taxpayer!!!! NO. IT IS NOT.

      “You sided with the wealthy elite opposing the tax payer.”

      That is a LIE. AS I have challenged you repeatedly in explaining how getting rid of the ESO saves the taxpayers a single dime given the Hemmens will have the exact same costs with or without the ESO.

      “tax payer’s have contributed over $1.5 million over the last 10 years to the ESO.”

      That is a flat out bald faced LIE. Taxpayers haven’t contributed a dime to ESO. That the City of Elgin allowed the ESO to perform in a city owned otherwise unused facility without charge DID NOT cost the taxpayers a dime.

      “Councilmen Gavin, Prigge & Shaw supported the tax payer’s on both these issues. You supported the wealthy.”

      Flat out lie. Incredibly bizarro. So raising the percentage tax rate funding the City of Elgin paid by taxpayers and lowering the percentage tax rates funding the City of Elgin by businesses is “looking out” for the taxpayers!!! Stick with that, CP. It sums up your intelligence.

      • bw says:

        CP wants to know what the last remark means. The sum of zero + zero = zero.

      • Capitalist Pig says:


        Your response under whelmed me.

        Paul said…
        “So reducing the surplus by eliminating the taxes paid by businesses, in your bizarro mind, is looking out for the taxpayer!!!! NO. IT IS NOT.”

        Capitalist Pig says…
        Yes, that is what I said and yes it is. Aren’t business owners taxpayers? Isn’t a city supposed to be business friendly. Shouldn’t we reduce regulations? Shouldn’t the city be running programs fairly, efficiently accurately and not wastefully? So, at the last Council meeting when it was pointed out to Mr. Kozal, the leader of this program, by Councilman Gavin that this program has been on a bad footing since its inception. Mr. Kozal defended his mismanaged program by admitting to a data failure rate of 30% but could not account for the current failure rate. Instead, Mr. Kozal said that in order to make the program work, he is looking for additional computers, software and personnel. How is that helping any tax payer? Isn’t that a cost to the taxpayer’s? Yes, by eliminating this fee, they are looking out after the businessman tax payer.

        Paul said in my reference to my posting of…“You sided with the wealthy elite opposing the tax payer.”
        “That is a LIE. AS I have challenged you repeatedly in explaining how getting rid of the ESO saves the taxpayers a single dime given the Hemmens will have the exact same costs with or without the ESO.”

        Capitalist Pig says…Yes, I did say that and actually you are asking two different questions.

        1) I should not have to explain the difference between an occupied verses vacant building. The costs are not the same. Maintenance costs will very based on occupancy and seasonality.

        2) The actual rental revenue at the Hemmens would be larger if anyone was there other than the ESO since the ESO has been granted a deep discounted rate. If the ESO was not taking up space, the rental rate would be the same to every organization no matter who it is.

        So to your way of thinking, if there is no cost to keep the Hemmens open, then why don’t we just waive all rental fees to everyone and offer first come first serve. I mean if the costs are the same, why not?

        BTW Paul, I did a bit of fact checking on the Elginite blog. Seems you were asked not to participate for 30 days for disrespectful language beginning June 26. It also appears that most of the comments regarding the ESO started in July 2013, the month you were sequestered. The vote to continue to fund the ESO was July 24. Your first post after sequester was August 1.

        I, the Capitalist Pig made my first post on August 30 regarding Butera. So we have never had a conversation about the ESO.

        Paul said in my reference to my posting of..“tax payer’s have contributed over $1.5 million over the last 10 years to the ESO.”
        “That is a flat out bald faced LIE. Taxpayers haven’t contributed a dime to ESO. That the City of Elgin allowed the ESO to perform in a city owned otherwise unused facility without charge DID NOT cost the taxpayers a dime.”

        Capitalist Pig says…Where are you getting your facts from Paul? Any money that comes into the city is taxpayer money. If it comes from taxes, fees or the Riverboat, it’s the taxpayers. If the money goes into the City of Elgin’s checking account it belongs to the city taxpayers. It is not revenue diversification slush fund for funding a group of Council members pet projects or organizations. Now, since all money coming into the city is the taxpayers, and the Council is supposed to be good stewards of that money, you know as well as I do under former Councilman Gilliam’s reign to date the city gave the ESO, at a minimum, $100,000 over the last ten years and more, the free rental on the Hemmens for two years and free office space for 10 years. Taxpayer’s money adds up quickly and we’re still counting.

        Paul said in my reference to my posting of..“Councilmen Gavin, Prigge & Shaw supported the tax payer’s on both these issues. You supported the wealthy.”
        “Flat out lie. Incredibly bizarro. So raising the percentage tax rate funding the City of Elgin paid by taxpayers and lowering the percentage tax rates funding the City of Elgin by businesses is “looking out” for the taxpayers!!! Stick with that, CP. It sums up your intelligence.”

        Capitalist Pig says…Yes, it is.

        I noticed that you did not reference my earlier notation of the over $10 million tax payer’s surplus sitting in the General Fund that was created by over taxation.

        • Chuck Keysor says:

          Dear Capitalist Pig:

          I am glad you are fighting the good fight.

          Dear Elginite Readers:

          On the Elgin Business License, the City’s staff now talks of how important the data is in the EBL database. They say we need all the information in this database. They even go so far as to say it is vital to our future economic development. Well how many people know that if you file a FOIA asking the City for a spreadsheet of the data about Elgin Businesses, that they won’t give it to you? And how many people know that as I report further down, that the City has failed to use the most valuable database for even some of the most obvious purposes?????

          The City doesn’t want me to have the database, because I might find out AGAIN how wrong it is. Instead Rick Kozal would rather say he doesn’t know how bad the data is.

          Isn’t that curious, last year, for free I wanted to check the EBL database for more errors, and tell the City, but they refused to let me evaluate their database. That is because they don’t care how faulty their database is. They want to show that they have the power. To the Staff at City Hall, the power of the government, and the government’s right to know and control is more important than anything else.

          Background: In the fall of 2011, I filed a FOIA asking for a full working database showing all of the information in the EBL database, including the email addresses of all businesses. The City said:
          a) We can’t give you a spread sheet, our computer won’t provide that, the software is too old.
          b) We can’t give you the email addresses, because we don’t collect those.

          A week later, I met with our then still fairly new Mayor Kaptain. I asked him about the email database, “How could anyone ask me to believe that the City collects Elgin Business License applications over the Internet, and they don’t keep track of the email addresses?” Mayor Kaptain looked me right in the eye and said: “Well, we had a meeting about that just last week, and we decided that we can not give those email addresses out to anyone, or the businesses will get mad at us.” I thought how idiotic is that? You don’t mind getting them mad by taking their money and hassling them, and threatening to fine them $750/day, and closing their business, but you don’t want to upset them by giving away their email address?

          Craig Mason filed an appeal of Elgin’s FOIA denial to Attorney General Lisa Madigan and we asked for the full working spread sheet and all the email addresses for the EBL database. Within 24 hours of when Lisa Madigan sent a note of inquiry to the City of Elgin, we had a full working spread sheet, WITH all of the email addresses.

          So, after lots of checking, I found the EBL database was missing Elgin Sweeper, Bystronics, Sears Holding, and scores of Chamber of Commerce members, and I forget now how many others. But you can watch the video of the January 11th, 2012 council session for all the information which I presented to the Council.

          And I pointed out that Bystronics and Sears Holding had been given grants by the City, but that they didn’t have Elgin Business Licenses! And Rich Dunne had publicly fretted that the City owed Toll Brothers Builders a lot of money, but guess what, Toll Brothers didn’t have an Elgin Business License either! This shows that EVEN THE CITY OF ELGIN ITSELF is NOT using its own EBL database for the most obvious purposes.

          Of course Rick Kozal could have stood up at the council session last week and told us how wrong their database was in January of 2012, but he would probably have said, gee, we fixed all those, what’s the issue????

          Maybe Rick could tell you how he sent letters to the Elgin Post Office on Grove, or the National Guard Armory, telling them that if they didn’t get an Elgin Business License, that they would face $750/day fines and possible closure of their businesses. Or maybe he could tell you about the little churches that got the same Big Brother letters. But, if he mentioned them, it would only be to blame it on his software. Of course I checked these things without any software, except to file a FOIA. (I’ll send copies of these letters to RS if he wants them.)

          Last year, I filed another FOIA (or maybe 2), and a friend of mine did once, asking for a complete working Excel spread sheet, with email address, and we were both denied. We were told it couldn’t be done, even though they had done it before. I did file an appeal with Lisa Madigan on one of those, but it turned out that I had missed the required time window by just a week.)

          So if the City would have wanted to know how accurate their EBL database was, they would have given me the spread sheets I had asked for, and I would have done it for free. Maybe I’d do it now, if they paid me!

          Good work CP, keep it up! Chuck

          PS to Paul……… Yes, this post is a RANT!

          • bw says:

            Chuck, prove your points that the city don’t collect EBL fees from ALL companies doing business in the city. Not being included in a large database don’t mean what you’re trying to suggest. Anyone who uses the FOIA to gain access to information has a hidden agenda. You mentiona few companies that were not listed in the database records yu received. The truth of the matter is that no city employee ever made sure that every business doing in Elgin were included in the database. The input clerk working with a large database like Microsoft Access may have missed recording every business. In government as well as business errors are made by honest employees. I’m sure it was not done as a cover-up that certain businesses did not pay their fee. If you think that is the reason say so with out posted information that you can not prove. The EBL fee should remain because it will protect the consumers. In the world today we need all the protection we can get from our federal, state and local governments. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings by attacking your false agenda. You’re so easy to read in how you operate using your narrow minded brain.

          • Chuck Keysor says:

            Dear bw:

            I find it interesting, if not odd, that you should so blindly trust the government (seemingly at all levels), and so completely distrust business. In my logical contemplations, it seems as though government is what we have to distrust, and business is who we have to assist at best, or not harm at the least.

            Government has power over us, which no business has. If I don’t like a business, I can simply refuse to use their services or to purchase their product. But with government, you have no choice. You MUST pay your taxes or you can loose your house, and wind up in jail, or at least pay plenty of fines. If the City wants to falsely claim a budget crisis, and use that as a pretext to jack up our taxes, as they did in 2011, I find that much more unfair, to objectionable, to even repugnant than any harm I have suffered from any business.

            Even in little old Elgin, I found many businesses who were mad about the Elgin Business License, for example…. Yet they were afraid to speak out against it. One business told me in 2011 that the City has too much power to make their business suffer, and so they would not as they termed it, “kick that bee hive” by speaking out on the EBL. Another business said, “Look Chuck, you don’t understand! If we speak out, and get a moment’s satisfaction by doing so, we have the real likelihood of having a City inspector walk into our store and say, “Gee, I am not sure if your scales are accurate…. I think you should get them re-certified.” In with that simple visit, for which there is no appeal and no required justification, that business said it would cost them a couple of thousand dollars, simply because someone at City Hall chose to retaliate. That business has operations in several cities, and they said it isn’t just that way in Elgin, it is that way in many cities.

            A big part of what made this country great is the RIGHT of individual liberty. Yet modern governments, certainly at the Federal, Illinois and Elgin levels, all seem intent on curtailing individual liberties, and making it impossible to live a simple life unfettered by needless, and often excessively burdensome regulations and taxes. And yet you choose to trust those who would abuse your liberties without any recourse, in favor of fearing businesses who have virtually no power over you what so ever…….


          • Jason Dusenberry says:

            What I found interesting was that when Rick first started speaking, he mentioned something to the effect that he would not be trying to persuade council members, just inform them. Inform them on the background of the EBL, what the revenue goes for, etc. However, as his talk went on, I started hearing a persuasive tone and specifics as to why it was so needed, even though the admission was made of how many errors and flaws the program has been plagued by.

          • paul says:

            “PS to Paul……… Yes, this post is a RANT!”

            Yes it is, Chuck. It is a rant about how you are okay with the average taxpayers paying hundreds of dollars more in taxes as long as Chase And Grand Victoria don’t have to pay that horrible onerous $595 business tax.

  22. Harmony says:

    Hey Paul.

    Let me get this straight - in your mind the Nacho you “know” who lives on May Street doesn’t live on May Street because you know a Nacho who lives in South Elgin??? AND there can ONLY be one Nacho on Planet Earth.
    “interesting”, indeed!

    Seriously, thanks for the morning comedy routine. And on the plus side, you’ve removed ALL doubt as to the level of your intelligence. ALL DOUBT.

    Well guess what? That is the same Nacho. I find it hard to believe that he sold his house in South Elgin to move into his rental property on May Street.

    You need to get up a little earlier and get your facts straight before you question my intelligence.

    • paul says:

      “Well guess what? That is the same Nacho. ”

      Hilarious. So let me get this straight AGAIN - the Nacho I know who lives at 370 May street for many decades and still lives there, right next door to the house on May street that burned down, doesn’t live at 370 May street because er, uhh, because according to you, you know a Nacho that lives in S. Elgin!!!!
      Do you have any idea how silly you PROVE yourself to be with this stunning display of illogic, Harmony?

      “You need to get up a little earlier and get your facts straight before you question my intelligence.”

      Apparently I need to sleep in much much longer.

      P.S. Note my use of quote marks above. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: In English writing, quotation marks or inverted commas (informally referred to as quotes or speech marks)[1] are punctuation marks surrounding a quotation, direct speech, or a literal title or name.

      P.P.S. Providing you the address 370 May allows you multiple ways to verify the owner occupier without even leaving your chair; if you have the intelligence to figure it out.
      Will an apology be coming from you forth with? Nah, that ain’t gonna happen, is it?
      That directly reflects your decency as a human being.

  23. Harmony says:

    Well Paul, you continue to show your stupidity on every subject you post here.

    • paul says:

      “Well Paul, you continue to show your stupidity on every subject you post here.”

      ROTFLMAO@U. So, in Harmony conclusion, Nacho, who lives at 370 May street and has lived at 370 May Street for decades, does not live at 370 May street because Harmony knows a Nacho that lives in S. Elgin. And disagreement with that stunning Harmony illogic “shows your stupidity” despite clear FACTS, TRUTH, and reality.

      Seriously, thank you. Unwitting comedy doesn’t get much better than this.

  24. ADV says:

    This was in my email this morning. Might be worth checking out.

    Cultural Arts Commission

    Contact: Sean Hargadon

    Chairman, Elgin Cultural Arts Commission

    Phone: 847-363-3573

    Email: shargadon69@yahoo.com



    Will lead Town Hall discussion at Gail Borden Library on why art matters

    Elgin, IL, October 15, 2013 – The Elgin Cultural Arts Commission in cooperation with the Gail Borden Library will host a Town Hall discussion “Why Art Matters” with Randy Cohen on Saturday, November 2nd at 2:00 p.m. in the Elgin Room as part of this year’s FallBack Arts Festival.

    Cohen is Vice President of Research and Policy at Americans for the Arts in Washington D.C. – the nations’ advocacy organization for the arts. He is one of the world’s most noted experts in the field of arts funding, research, and policy.

    He’s also the publisher of The National Arts Index as well as two premier economic studies of the arts industry, “Arts & Economic Prosperity.” The study is the largest of its kind and demonstrates the national and local impact of nonprofit arts organizations.

    “Every business owner and every city leader should be interested in the results of this study,” said Elgin Cultural Arts Commission Chairman Sean Hargadon. “These findings are profound and should be used to help inform decisions about Elgin’s future. Outside of Chicago, Elgin has one of the most vibrant arts communities in the state. We need to embrace that fact and use the arts as an economic engine that can fuel business and make Elgin a destination city for homebuyers and visitors,” added Hargadon, who also will present insightful information on the impact of the arts on the local economy.

    In the late 1990’s, Cohen collaborated with the President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities to create Coming Up Taller, the White House report on arts programs for youth-at-risk. He also appears regularly in the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and on CNN, CNBC, and NPR.

    “Why Art Matters with Randy Cohen is free and open to the public. Registration is encouraged and can be done online at http://www.cityofelgin.com or http://www.elginfallback2013@eventbrite.com. For more information, contact Chairman Sean Hargadon at elginarts@gmail.com. Look for FallBack Arts Festival 2013 on Facebook.


  25. SM says:


    All this talk about Nachos, I’m going out for Mexican tonight.

  26. One Vote says:

    So, Larkin Center is folding.
    It looks like some of the kids will be absorbed by another company.
    SEIU employees will get a taste of the real world and be looking for work.
    The center itself will close.
    Gee, maybe the communities from Waukegan to Sandwich that have been dumping their troubled youth here will take in their own kids.
    EPD should be pleased that they won’t have to referee these kids.
    This is sort of the reverse of NIMBY, eh?

  27. bw says:

    Click here to visit the Health Reform in Action/The White House: http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform.

    This official government site provides information about the plan and its progress and the guiding principles of healthcare reform.

  28. Margaret Miller says:

    Elgin Council considers 3 more plug-in stations, lease deal with Lawrence Hall

    Okay, so here we go again Elgin taxpayers.
    We subsidize the ESO then the bike paths and now electric charging stations?

    Why is the city even considering this? Why isn’t there a metered rate on the charging station we already have? Will we have a meter on the new ones the greenies will vote for on Wednesday? It costs people $1.00 to put air in car tires at a gas station why not charge at electric charging stations?

    In a state with almost 13 million people, 987 plates issued for electric cars in Illinois! Sickening.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t it take fuel, (good Illinois coal) to create electricity? How GREEN is that enviromental swap? Typical Liberal Hypocrites.

    Other than Mayor Dave Kaptain and his wife Sandy, how may of these vehicles are there in Elgin? I guess the phylosophy is “If you build it, they will come!” (from the Field of “green” Dreams)

    Hey Dave!
    GM temporarily stopped making the Volt! Where are you going to get a replacement battery and how will you dispose of your toxic used one?

    GM TEMPORARILY STOPS MAKING ELECTRIC VOLT (March 12, 2013) What a bright Mayor we have.

    Disappointed With Electric Cars, Automakers Are Making Bad Bet On Fuel Cells

    Fisker Automotive, which was producing the $100,000 electric sports car Karma, stopped making cars last year. They have had to lay off 75% of employees while struggling to find capital, but it doesn’t look good.

    The Department of Energy (DOE) gave Fisker a $529 million loan in 2009, but it had only drawn $193 million when payments were stopped in 2011.

    Payments were stopped because Fisker didn’t meet DOE’s milestones - that 11,000 cars would be sold by 2011. Only 2,000 Karmas have sold WORLDWIDE AND JUST 900 IN THE US.

    WHAT NONSENSE!!!!! Elgin citizens, the GREENIES got us by the roots until 2015, pity the poor Elgin taxpayer for the next two years?

    • RS says:

      The article says there’s no charge because they have sponsors paying for it. So the city is out just $5K for a few charging stations. It’s not a big deal, is it?

      The end of the article about the Larkin Center is more intriguing:

      In other business, at its regular meeting, the council is set to vote on ratifying the execution of an assignment and assumption of a lease between the Larkin Center social service agency and Lawrence Hall Youth Services of Chicago.

      Last Friday, after 117 years of service, the Larkin Center officially went out of business.

      The Courier-News reported last week that 35 children living at one of the Larkin Center’s group homes would either be staying at the facility they currently live in or would be transferred to a Lawrence Hall Youth Services facility. Adults receiving housing services through the Larkin Center were to able to stay in the apartments where they currently live, with their care now overseen by the Ecker Center for Mental Health in Elgin.

      Chicago-based Lawrence Hall has taken over operation of four of the six Larkin locations. The site in question for the council Wednesday is the Rakow Center School at 15 Sports Way, which stands on part of the old Elgin Mental Health Center property near Route 20 and Route 31, which is owned by the state of Illinois. It was renovated in 2000 and is leased to the city for a nominal fee, with the city in turn leasing the building to the Larkin Center.

      Why rush into transferring the lease? There could be a better use of that land. We should think about this before committing it to this use. After all, this lease is going to be transferred to a Chicago-based organization. Think about the implications of that. What if they start shipping out all the “troubled youths” of Chicago and planting them in Elgin? Is that really something we want to deal with?

      • Margaret Miller says:

        If its not a big deal, please feel free to write a check and help out your fellow citizen taxpayer.

        The difference between NEED & WANT applies here.

        • Todd Martin says:


          Consider a few facts before on EV charging in Elgin:

          1) Elgin is only paying for 1/2 the cost of the equipment & install, a grant covers the rest.
          2) Elgin is not paying for the electricity, it is covered by private organizations.
          3) Elgin businesses in Downtown, the Riverboat, and the Centre will attract new visitors because EV drivers will be attracted to the new charging spots and will have a few hours to kill.
          4) The chargers help people decide to make the switch to electric vehicles. That means less foreign oil, less Elgin traffic noise, less Elgin air pollution, and new EV car sales in Elgin.
          5) There are a lot more plug-in cars than what is listed by the State of Illinois EV plates. The Chevy Volt, for example, does not qualify for an EV plate. Letting people know they have public charging options will lead to more.

          I’m excited by the project and hope you’ll take a second look.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            Hi Todd:

            1) Half of any cost is still a cost to taxpayers for the every few. The needs of the many to keep their money in their pocket, out weighs the needs of the few for a charging station.

            2) Considered, so what.

            3) You are dreaming.

            4) my experience is that Blue Collar workers need jobs and their money in their pocket, not an electric car.

            5) then talk with th reporter who apparently, in your eyes, didn’t report the entire story.

            I have taken a second look and I’m still not convenience. Have a great day!

          • One Vote says:

            Todd wrote: “…a grant covers the rest.”
            There’s that free money mentality, as though there is some grant money tree out in DC that bears all the fruit.

    • RS says:

      btw, you forgot to post this link which even mentions Elgin-based Wanxiang (America):


      President Obama made promotion of electric vehicles a key component of his green initiative. Last September, the Congressional Budget Office reported that federal policies to prop up and promote electric cars will cost taxpayers $7.5 billion through 2019.

      Several of the electric car companies Obama has funneled taxpayer funds to have floundered. U.S. electric battery maker A123 Systems, which received a $249 million taxpayer-funded government loan, announced last year its decision to sell a controlling stake to Wanxiang, a Chinese company, for $450 million. Similarly, lithium-ion battery manufacturer Ener1, Inc., which received a $118.5 million taxpayer-funded grant, filed for bankruptcy. And another company, Aptera Motors, has already folded.

      “The electric car, after more than 100 years of development and several brief revivals, still is not ready for prime time–and may never be,” concludes Reuters.

      • Margaret Miller says:

        More Elgin tax payer money down a dark hole never to be seen again.

        US not into electric cars, but feds gave company $100M for charging stations, watchdog says - Published July 31, 2013•

        A California company was given more than $100 million in taxpayer funds by the federal government – with few strings attached – to establish a network of electric car charging stations that is fraught with problems, according to a government audit.

        All this, despite weak demand by the American public for electric cars.

        While President Obama has pledged to get 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015, a new report by the Department of Energy’s inspector general found that Americans’ aversion to electric vehicles and loose department supervision led to stalling the charging network – which cost taxpayers more than $135 million.

        The report noted the project was filled with problems from the beginning, and said taxpayer-funded grants to San Francisco-based ECOtality for it were “very generous” and involved little risk by the company.

        “The lack of analysis by the Department or ECOtality prevented us from determining whether the reasoning behind these changes was sound and in the best interest of U.S. taxpayers.”
        - Inspector General’s report

        ECOtality, which recently named Brandon Hurlbut, former chief of staff for ex-Energy Secretary Steven Chu, to its board, won a $99.8 million award in 2009 to install nearly 15,000 electric vehicle chargers throughout the country.

        The company and its subsidiaries also received about $35 million from the department’s Vehicle Technologies Program from 2005 to 2011, “for two multiyear projects to evaluate and test specific vehicles.”

        According to the Inspector General’s report, ECOtality was required to kick in a minimum of 20 percent of cost sharing under the $35 million in grants, and under the $100 million award, it was to match the taxpayer subsidy. But the DOE allowed ECOtality to use monthly costs of car owners and other expenses it did not directly incur to leverage the federal funds. That meant the company took on little risk in return for its subsidies, the report said.

        “Although there is no clear legislative history on the meaning behind requiring recipients to provide cost-share, the concept is generally understood to mitigate risk, help leverage federal investments, and ensure that recipients have some ‘skin in the game’ in these kinds of transactions,” the IG report said.

        ECOtality planned a full rollout of charging stations in five major metro areas to address one of the biggest problems facing the market for electric cars – “range anxiety,” or fear that owners won’t be able to easily charge them. The goal, according to the report, was for government to stimulate the installation of so many chargers at commercial and residential locations, that places to re-power cars would be nearly as ubiquitous as gas stations.

        But weak demand for the electric cars resulted in a diminished need for chargers and the DOE and ECOtality sought to reach the 15,000-charging station goal by spreading the program to five more markets. The company also went heavier on home-chargers for individual owners and lighter on commercial stations that could serve multiple users. Those factors, according to the report, undermined the goal of easing range anxiety in the original markets.

        “The real problem is the policy approach of the Obama administration,” said Paul Chesser, of the National Legal and Policy Center. “The department of Energy and, really ECOtality, were in an impossible situation. President Obama says, ‘There’s going to be 1 million electric cars on the road by 2015, so here are billions to make it happen.’ And then nobody buys the cars.

        “It’s a disastrous domino effect, a complication of a policy that was a bad idea,” Chesser said.

        Under the plan, all charging stations were to be used to gather data from users, but many commercial stations were so seldom used that they proved useless in gauging public satisfaction.

        “The lack of analysis by the Department or ECOtality prevented us from determining whether the reasoning behind these changes was sound and in the best interest of U.S. taxpayers,” the IG wrote.

        Although the audit found “no issues with the selection of Ecotality for the project,” Chesser said the company relies more on political connections than expertise in winning taxpayer grants. ECOtality began as a maker of biodegradeable products, but in 2006 jumped into the electric car industry. And the company has been upfront about its business strategy of going after government money.

        “I’m a political beast,” ECOtality President Jonathan Read said on a 2007 shareholder conference call. “Playing the political card is something that when the time is right we’re going to play very hard.”


    • One Vote says:

      The question I have is this: The one charging station we now have. How often is it used? I used to be in that area quite a bit and never saw ANYONE using it, except a city maintenance truck that is gas powered.
      There must be some measurement of how much use it has received.
      Are these extra stations for Sandy’s use?

    • paul says:

      “We subsidize the ESO then the bike paths and now electric charging stations?”

      I have asked repeatedly how your campaign of getting rid of the ESO benefits taxpayers given the taxpayer costs of the Hemmens is essentially the exact same with OR without the ESO. Your refusal to answer speaks volumes.
      On the plus side at least you aren’t repeatedly claiming getting rid of the EBL and shifting that tax burden on to us taxpayers is standing up for the taxpayers.
      I’d like to complain about the FREE EV subsidies too, but combining it with bogus claims of subsidies to ESO and bike paths renders the argument moot.

      • Margaret Miller says:

        Please go back and review my ESO position. I don’t feel repeating myself for a third time to you on this issue is worth my effort.

        As a reference, my ESO postings started in July 2013.

        I have also made my positions clear on the EBL and electric charging stations.

        If you don’t like any of them, too bad.

  29. Tim Palmer says:

    Hey Todd Martin, my choice is to buy a gas car and I put the gas in it. You buy an electric car, YOU put the electric in it.

  30. Margaret Miller says:

    Anyone remember Steven Chu?

    Dr. Steven Chu served as the Secretary of Energy from January 21, 2009, to April 22, 2013.

    Dr. Chu was charged with helping implement President Obama’s ambitious agenda to invest in clean energy, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, address the global climate crisis, and create millions of new jobs.


    Harkinson asked: “Is Steven Chu too cozy with BP,” given his longstanding ties to the oil industry that “funded the Energy Biosciences Institute at UC Berkeley that (he) founded a year before he joined the DOE.”

    BP’s chief scientist, Steven Koonin, gave him a $500 million grant. In return, Chu appointed him DOE undersecretary for science. But instead of them both getting involved in the Gulf disaster, they stood aside, telling reporters earlier that “things are looking up” when, in fact, they’re worsening.

    It’s unclear “to what extent Chu has given BP favorable treatment, either in terms of crafting DOE’s research agenda or its response to the oil spill. But what is clear is that the close ties are casting a shadow over the agency, sowing doubt among the public that the government is truly an independent watchdog.”

    Also clear is that $500 million buys a lot of influence, expecting payback in far greater amounts and nearly always getting it and then some. When Chu arranged it, UC Berkeley Professor Ignacio Chapela called it “the coup de grace to the very idea of a university that can represent the best interest of the public,” benefitting a man who looks deeply compromised – the same “qualification” as other Obama officials for their close industry ties, serving their interests, not the public’s.

  31. Give Me a Break says:


    Thank you for the near constant regurgitation of Tea Party conspiracy theories from hack blogs. Another low-dollar project that you are obsessed with: see Chilean visit ($3,000), ESO (no tax subsidy), electric charging stations ($5,000) Do you live in Elgin or Mayberry? Get a grip. You have no vision for the future. We get that. There are people in this community who care about these kinds of projects and what they can do for Elgin. Your obsessive compulsion over projects that cost taxpayers pennies per year (if that) is ridiculous.

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      GMB: There is nothing wrong with Margaret being against issues based only upon principal, and not based upon cost. Because she disagrees with you does not in any way indicate that she has “no vision for the future”.

      Your post would be more illuminating and possibly more persuasive if you were to be like Todd Martin. Todd will usually clearly and politely state his position. Yet he can be forceful when dumped on. And as I say this, realize that I often disagree with Todd, but I will read and carefully consider all of his points.

      But it seems as though your intent is about stabbing Margaret more than trying to convince anyone of anything. That is the unfortunate part about this site, and why I am anxious to see the proposed site changes that RS referenced in the past.

      Somehow, I think it would be useful, and yes, even gratifying, if when someone is over-the top mean, to see 100 thumbs down ratings next to it. Then at least whomever got burned would have some consolation. (Well, that is making the basic assumption that most people are basically kind and don’t appreciate such levels of rudeness. Maybe I am wrong, and the feedback system would help to wipe clean my rose colored glasses………..)


  32. Jules says:

    I agree with Chuck and appreciate civility.

  33. Todd Martin says:

    The EV charger station proposal was tabled in a 5-4 vote last night until a permanent sponsor for the electricity cost is signed on. The “Conservatives” won this round. It was unfortunate that the public comment period is AFTER all of the COW votes, so I was unable to offer any input.

    One thing I’d like to point out is that I understand that everyone does not share my values and appreciation for the environmental benefits of electric cars. I get that.

    The agenda item was listed under Economic Development. Why???

    Well, consider this:

    The average household in America spends $3100 in gasoline each year. There are 35000 households in Elgin. So, Elgin residents spend $108 Million dollars each year on gasoline. The vast majority of this money flows out of Elgin, much of it to the Middle East, etc.

    My Chevy Volt is getting 215mpg and you can buy a new one today from Biggers Chevrolet on East Chicago Street, Elgin for UNDER $23,000 after incentives.

    If Elgin residents see that there is public charging available, that will help them consider making the switch. Imagine what our City population could do with an extra $100 million.

    • RS says:


      According to Edmunds.com, the price premium paid for the Volt in 2012, after discounting the US$7,500 U.S. federal tax credit, takes a long time for consumers to recover in fuel savings, often longer than the normal ownership time period. Edmunds compared the Volt (priced at US$31,712) with the same-size gasoline-powered Chevrolet Cruze (priced at US$19,656) and found that the payback period for the plug-in hybrid is 15 years for gasoline prices at US$3 per gallon, 12 years at US$4 per gallon, and drops to 9 years with gasoline prices at US$5 per gallon. At February 2012 prices, the break even period is 14 years. These estimates assume an average of 15,000 miles (24,000 km) annual driving and vehicle prices correspond to Edmunds.com’s true market value estimates.[96]

      In a similar comparison carried out by TrueCar in April 2012 for The New York Times, the analysis found that the payback period for the Volt takes 26.6 years versus a Chevrolet Cruze Eco, assuming it was regularly driven farther than its battery-only range allows, and with gasoline priced at US$3.85 per gallon. The analysis assumes an average of 15,000 miles (24,000 km) driven a year, a fuel economy of 34.3 mpg-US (6.86 L/100 km; 41.2 mpg-imp) for the Cruze Eco, priced at US$19,925, and a Volt price of US$31,767, after discounting the US$7,500 federal tax. TrueCar also found that with gasoline priced at US$5 per gallon, the payback time could drop to about 8 years if the Volt were to be operated exclusively on battery power. The newspaper also reported that according to the March 2012 Lundberg Survey, gasoline prices would need to reach US$12.50 a gallon for the Volt to break even, while the Nissan Leaf would be competitive with a similar gasoline-powered compact car at US$8.53 a gallon.

      The market is pretty good at deciding what is the best way to keep “$100 million” in Elgin. For most Elgin households that means buying less expensive cars, used cars, etc.

      • Todd Martin says:

        Both of those surveys were done on the Volt BEFORE they dropped the price by $5,000. Both of those surveys were done without considering the $4,000 Illinois rebate. Try running those numbers again with a $9,000 reduction in list price.

        • Tim Palmer says:

          hey todd martin-why is it the only people who want these damn things like you are the people who own electric cars? Yipee! you bought a $23,000 car!! Now pay for your own juice for it!

          • Was it $23k out the door? If so I’d seriously consider one for my wife and I’d take her 180k mile Prius.

            I LOVE efficiency, that’s why I’m a conservative!

    • paul says:

      “One thing I’d like to point out is that I understand that everyone does not share my values and appreciation for the environmental benefits of electric cars. I get that.”

      One thing you, Todd Martin, should point out but DON’T is you (Todd Martin) is, quite possibly, the ONLY ONE getting a FREE TAXPAYER PROVIDED fill-up AT THE one (1) and ONLY
      City of ELgin charger station.
      Shocking that Todd Martin is PRO free EV fill-ups at taxpayer expense.

      Question: If you are parked at EV station for hours getting your free fill-up, isn’t everyone else SOL for their FREE fill-ups at TAXPAYER expense???

      • Todd Martin says:

        Wow, a lot of anger here with no facts behind it. Waste Management pays for the electricity used at the Symphony Way parking garage charger. NOT THE TAXPAYER!!!

        The proposal for 3 new chargers included a private sponsor to pay for the electricity usage the 1st year and City staff would line up a new sponsor after that. NOT THE TAXPAYER!!!

        I am hardly the only user of the charger.

        I’m tired of this. So many people think electric cars are some evil agenda being pushed by a scary black man. Get over it.

        • paul says:

          “Wow, a lot of anger here with no facts behind it.”

          SO you aren’t getting free fill-ups at the taxpayer provided, taxpayer supported, taxpayer funded COE EV charging station?

          But you readily admit you are!!!! Weird.

          “Waste Management pays for the electricity”

          Where does Waste management get their money? From the government free money tree?
          Waste Management paying off city officials to obtain multi-million dollar contracts; all with a $390 bribe!!!!

          “NOT THE TAXPAYER!!!”

          Okay. EVERYTHING is free as long as you ain’t payin for it. Oops, wait. Who’s paying the thousands of dollars to buy and install these FREE fill-up stations? Ooh, the taxpayers!! That is correct. You are wrong yet again.

          “I am hardly the only user of the charger.”

          Well, there is only one charger. And you are parked in front of it. AGAIN I ask, how does someone else use it?

          “some evil agenda being pushed by a scary black man. Get over it.”

          Are you shitting me!!! You are actually calling me a racist bigoted KKK member for my belief that I shouldn’t HAVE to provide you a free fuel fill-up for your automobile.
          Wow! How much anger and intense hated exists within you do make that claim? WOW!

          I do know evil when I see it. And you are truly truly it.

          • RS says:

            I’m surprised that race was brought into the EV discussion.

            If anything I’m willing to bet that the beneficiaries of EV subsidies are overwhelming white, middle and upper middle class buyers. Which also means they don’t really need the subsidy as many of them can afford the full price and most of them are buying for ideological reasons so their demand is not really elastic with respect to price.

            I don’t support the federal or state subsidies, I will say that. But I don’t oppose the charging stations. I don’t think it’s necessary since everybody who owns an EV has the ability to charge their vehicle at home. But the cost is low enough that it’s just not worth getting even interested in the issue. There is so much more waste than that.

            Todd, what do you think about CNG? That’s an area where you do kind of need infrastructure because it’s not something you can do at home. Should the City of Elgin convert some of its fleet to CNG and create a fueling station that would also be accessible to the public?

        • Margaret Miller says:

          I appreciate your passion for serving your personal life choices however, those choices cost tax payer’s money through incentives or free electric hook up.

          I would have appreciated, under the guise full disclosure, you informing the Elginite audience you were preaching too and attempting to convince, the fact that you holding the prestigious position as Committee Chair of the Charging Infrastructure with the Fox Valley Electric Auto Association (FVEAA)
          Click on “About Us” http://www.fveaa.org/content/view/6/4/

          From the FVEAA October 2013 Newsletter - page 5 (link below)
          Todd’s Motion and his right to grant.

          Todd Martin-Update on last month’s Level II charging stations; paying 1/2 for the units FVEAA. 3 units. You can charge for free. Going for vote in the middle of oct (will be approved). 75% of the installation costs.

          Also noted on page 5 - Todd Dore - Treasury plenty of money

          So Todd, if you believe in this, why doesn’t the FVEAA pay for and sponsor it for 3 years since there is plenty of money in your treasury.
          No wonder you stormed out of the Council Chambers after the vote! Since you posted in the FVEAA Newsletter that the vote (will be approved), you must have thought last night was a lock until Carol got confused. Todd please don’t force your belief systems on people who do not share it.

          From the FVEAA September 2013 Newsletter - pages 8 & 9 (link below)
          Todd martin made a motion to provide financial support for 3 public charging stations in Elgin Illinois. He was contacted by the city of Elgin’s Sustainability Commission chair, Gary Mastersson who would like to apply money in Elgin’s Green grant program toward installing more free charging stations in Elgin, (More at the link)

          Check them out on Facebook

          The Courier reports…
          Kaptain had noted earlier that Elgin first got involved in electric car efforts through the FVEAA.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            Any know where Todd Martin is? I didn’t receive a response regarding my earlier post above.

          • One Vote says:

            Todd’s tied up these days.
            He wants to be the first person in Illinois to sign up for Obamacare. You have no idea how much time and effort that takes.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Are the incentives offered and paid for by the dealer or does the dealer have to complete documents, submit them the the Feds and then the dealer receives the incentive dollars back?

      If the dealer makes and pays for his own incentives, I have no problem with that.

      If the dealer has to follow my above procedure, I’m guessing that Federal money is tax payer money.

      So, if the taxpayer pays for the incentive in the long run and the taxpayer pays for the electric, some people have no trouble living off the taxpayer…I guess.

      • RS says:

        It’s federal and state. $7,500 from the federal govt and another $4,000 from the State of Illinois. So $11,500 in subsidies per EV car purchased.

        • Margaret Miller says:

          So was that subsidy money falling from the Washington money tree or was money collected from the taxpayer?

    • Margaret Miller says:


      The Conservatives didn’t win, common sense did.

      Never fear, Carol, who was clearly and completely confused with what was in front of her, will change her vote after much crying, complaining foul and some strong correction from the Progressive council members before the next session. The liberals will once again get the taxpayer’s hard earned money by hook or crook.

  34. Cruex says:

    “I have asked repeatedly how your campaign of getting rid of the ESO benefits taxpayers given the taxpayer costs of the Hemmens is essentially the exact same with OR without the ESO.”

    Allow me to answer for whomever you have been repeatedly asking. Your lack of business process is jaded by your personal feelings for the ESO.

    Elgin is the landlord for the Hemmens and charges for its use. When a tenant refuses to pay the rent, the landlord is entitled to kick out that tenant, regardless if the property in question has costs at or near the same as if the deadbeat tenant was not in the building. Your school of thought means free rent for everyone unless someone wants to pay rent. Elgin made it worse when they wrote off a third of the ESO’s rent and then discounted future rent. No landlord in the private sector would ever do that. If you think a vacant Hemmens does not cost less than it does when it’s filled with people, then please lobby the city council to make ALL city facilities free of charge to use. Softball and soccer fields, Little League diamonds, Lords Park pavilion, party rooms at the rec center, it’s all free and on a first-come first-served policy. Then you would be the smartest man in a city that would be filled with chaos and fights as to who was first in line to use a city facility.

    Please rent me your garage this Winter. It’s just sitting there and my truck won’t cost you any more than if it wasn’t in your garage. And don’t expect me to pay you rent for something that is not going to cost you anything to keep your garage standing. And if you don’t have someone else who wants to rent your garage what’s your problem in just letting me stay for free? What kind of liberal are you?

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Cruex, I have said virtually nothing on the Hemmens matter for many reasons. But I have been reading all the posts of course. I found your observations on this to be the most compelling made on this issue to date! Thank you for your thought provoking commentary, Chuck

      • paul says:

        “I found your observations on this to be the most compelling made on this issue to date!”

        Yeah, Chuck. Cruex real world analogy to the Hemmens being just like my garage was astute. With the only minor exceptions of the Hemmens being NOTHING like my garage in anyway, shape, manor, form, structure, ownership, public versus private; NOTHING. Other than that it was indeed “most compelling” to date.

        Speaking of compelling, are you still in favor of shutting down the Centre and boarding it up because it the COE is spending $700,000 a year of taxpayer money to keep it open? Where would all those corporate discounted members go?

        • Chuck Keysor says:

          Paul, please provide me with a quote of my ever saying we should shut down the Centre. The whitewash machine at City Hall accused the budget “opponents” with wanting to close the Rec Centre, the Lord’s Park pool and Wing Park pool. But that was a total and complete fabrication and has no basis in truth.

          The Elgin OCTAVE has called attention to the huge losses at the Centre and have said the situation should not be allowed to continue with reducing losses. We have however favored closing the East Side Rec Center. But we have NEVER said close the Centre, and never even hinted at doing anything to Wing Park and Lord’s Park pools.

          So again, your news source must be the creative writing staff at City Hall.

          PS: I have been a critic of the Centre since its early planning stages, and in that time frame spoke at one public session where the clear audience sentiment was that this proposed project was excessive and would be a money pit. Then Mayor Schock told the assembled crowd to our faces that the Rec Centre would be a PROFIT Center. But even that does not constitute a call for closing the Rec Centre.


          • paul says:

            “Paul, please provide me with a quote of my ever saying we should shut down the Centre. ”

            I don’t need to, Chuck. I’m just trying to pin your position down. Unsuccessfully again. So you were against the Centre before you were for it!!! But you still aren’t for it, are you?
            Very much like your position (and Gavins) on the ESO - you are against them while you are for them!!!

            I can certainly find your posts railing against the $3/4 million COE Centre subsididy to keeps the doors open. Yet you don’t have any suggestions on how to keep the doors open AND eliminate the taxpayer funding. Just like the Hemmens!

            The taxpayer funded boondoggle facilities have already been built (pointing out the obvious).
            Our systems of government aren’t designed to operate at a profit (pointing out the obvious).
            When government build a $30 million taxpayer funded facility, taxpayers can either pay to operate the facility or petition their government to write off the taxpayer funded capital investment.

            Your railing against the windmill doesn’t make the windmill a monster.

          • Chuck Keysor says:

            Paul, only you could find inconsistency in my being opposed to the Centre before it was opened, and then after it was open, with no turning back, when I don’t say to close it, you twist that to mean I support it! Coming from anyone else but you, I would be amazed.

            When I have posted the loss records of the Centre and of the Hemmens, I have said that I don’t know how to fix the situation. But the first step in trying to stop the losses, is to establish a public desire to do so. That is my simple intent.

            IF I were to have proposed solutions to the Hemmens or Centre losses, you would have simply branded them as insanity anyway, because with you, I will be wrong, even if I say something as simple as good morning Paul.

            Have a good after noon Paul. Chuck


    • paul says:

      Cruex, hilariously, you NEVER answered the question. Which is exactly why I never asked you the question - I wanted an intelligent response.

      “No landlord in the private sector would ever do that.”

      NO landlord in the private sector would EVER own a Hemmens!!!! Why, Cruex, WHY??? You demonstrated inability to comprehend that simple question renders ridiculous and absurd the rest of your argument.

      Here are a few clues for you, Cruex. The City Of Elgin (COE) did not build the Hemmens to be a profit center for the COE.
      The Hemmens, since the very first day the COE saddled the Elgin taxpayers with the cost of building the Hemmens, have ALWAYS operated at a loss to the COE (taxpayers of Elgin) and ALWAYS will.
      Why even have a government if your standard is profitability???

      One could EASILY make the case that it is the ESO subsidizing the COE when your argument is either the ESO pays the COE $150,000 annually which the COE would otherwise not have, OR the ESO can go to hell!

      Where do suppose the ESO’s $2.5 million payroll come from and goes to???
      Here’s some more clues for the clueless: The ESO’s $2.5 million payroll comes from the private sector. GIVEN that 40% is given back via taxes - Fed, State, and local - and the other other 60% is given back to the local community via consumption of goods and services.
      The private sector that provides that $2.5 million to the ESO don’t have to provide it, and they won’t when the ESO no longer exists; hence bolstering the unemployment rate, the mortgage foreclosure rate, and lessening the private sector and further enhancing the public welfare sector.

      “Your lack of business process is jaded by your personal feelings for the ESO.”

      As written your above is incoherent mixed with deceit deception and lies. Congrats.
      Or very remote possibility you missed my declaration that I’ve NEVER been to an ESO concert and have no plans to go, but I don’t go with remote possibilities on a blog where I’m called a liar for saying I know a Nacho who lives at 370 May street, which must be a lie because some else knows a Nacho who doesn’t live at 370 May street!!!

      • Margaret Miller says:

        Give ot up Paul. You’re beating a dead horse to people who don’t agree with you.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Thank you Cruex.

  35. One Vote says:

    I see where Mayor Dave Kaptain signed on to the immigration reform bandwagon.
    Egged on by Bill Foster, he signed the letter some Illinois mayors are sending to Washington.

    CAUTION: Swallow any liquid in your mouth before continuing!

    OK? Ready?

    Here’s the rationale for amnesty:
    “We cannot hope to achieve the growth necessary to repair the damage done by the recession without bringing eleven million people out of the shadows and fully integrated into our economy.”

    How dumb do they think we are?

    • Capitalist Pig says:

      Good Morning Elgin Citizens:

      All I can say about this Courier headline is that we have 21 uneducated leaders in Illinois regarding the economic impact of immigration, especially illegal immigration. The Mayor of Elgin is one of them.

      Mayor Kaptain, as a “Green” expert. I would have thought that you would know that when you have too many roots in the same soil, nothing grows but when there is room the growth comes naturally.

      From the Courier: Elgin Mayor Dave Kaptain is one of 21 elected heads of larger Illinois municipalities who recently wrote to the state’s congressional delegation in Washington imploring members to overhaul immigration laws as a way to repair and boost the economy.

      Bill Foster, hmmm, isn’t he the same man who ran as a GOP candidate in 2007-2010 and then with a lost to Randy Hultgren, switched parties, the area fell to redistricting and then won as a Democrat? Tells you something about Mr. Foster’s conviction to issues and his egotistical thirst for a government paycheck, government healthcare and power.

      The same Bill Foster who, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, received $637,050 from labor related PAC’s during his runs for Congress. $180,000 of this money came from PACs linked to public sector unions. $110,000 of these donations came from PACs linked to industrial labor unions. I wonder if these are the same PAC’s and Labor Unions that Mayor Kaptain will approach in his campaign?
      According to the Federal Election Commission, Nancy Pelosi gave $4,000 to Bill Foster’s 2012 campaign committee. PACs under the control of Pelosi have donated 10,000 to his 2012 campaign.

      The same Bill Foster who sits on the following Committees: House Judiciary (Just Referred on Aug 1) - Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, And Investigations House Judiciary (Sept 13 Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security.

      So it begs the question, why are these elected official, sworn to defend the Constitution and protect the country against foreign invaders at the border supporting comprehensive immigration reform?

      In the August 25, 2013 issue of Crain’s Chicago Business…What Mr. Foster really ought to be talking about is how to fix the economy, Mr. Bayne said in a statement and an interview. “He’s pandering to immigrants, assuming they’re too narrow minded to care about the economic collapse we’re experiencing in this country,” he continued, adding that “the suffering of the American people” ought to head Congress’ agenda.

      The same Bill Foster who on August 1, 2013 introduced H.R.2936 -Protecting Immigrants From Legal Exploitation Act of 2013 which was written to provide for punishments for immigration-related fraud, and for other purposes. This taxpayer funded Bill can be read at http://www.opencongress.org/bill/113-h2936/show

      Watch this interesting video - Published on Sep 19, 2013 -Congressman Bill Foster (IL-11) joined a discussion following Citizenship Day highlight the important contributions that immigrants make to our nation and our economy and the economic benefits of passing comprehensive immigration reform. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2U2sGcIoxI&feature=youtube_gdata

      But I digress in the company of Mayor Kaptain friends, political allies and future campaign contributors.

      The most important and avidly debated effects of undocumented immigration involve the United States’ economy and labor force. They continue to spout the mantra of an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants in the United States today. That’s the number that keeps getting thrown at us for the last 10 years. My estimate would be more like 44 million.

      The main argument in support of undocumented immigration is that migrant workers do jobs that Americans do not want to do. Given that most Americans do not compete with undocumented workers for jobs, this is a false claim.

      The other main argument that comes with undocumented immigration is the use of government services. Most undocumented workers receive their payments in cash, and therefore, are not subject to federal tax deductions. If they do pay federal taxes, it is because they acquire fraudulent information, and their wages are usually so low that their contributions are insignificant. Consequently, many people argue that these immigrants are costing our government a substantial amount of money by receiving benefits such as education, health care, food assistance programs, and welfare. Many of these uses stem from the fact that if an undocumented immigrant has a child born in the United States, that child is an American citizen, and therefore, has the rights to these government services. This is something that needs to be changed. America is the only country in the world that allows birth citizenship.

      So, can anyone tell me how immigration will jump start America’s economy?

      • Anonymous says:

        Thanks for the analysis, CP.
        A slight correction to the info above. I think Bill Foster was always a Democrat. We can thank Denny Hastert for resigning mid-term to become a lobbyist before the new rules kicked in.
        I spoke with Foster right after he took office the first time. We had a rational discussion about illegal aliens, jobs and local impact.
        Three months after being in Washington he was a different man! He was carrying the water for the party and had lost all sense of reason regarding amnesty.

        • Capitalist Pig says:

          Thank you, I stand corrected. In my haste and outrage, I confused Foster for Froehlich (Schaumburg). Lesson learned.

    • Clifford Stenowski says:

      I noticed in the Courier today that the state of Illinois is expecting 250,000 people to apply for illegal resident driver’s licenses.

      WOW! We have that many looking for licenses? How many illegals do we have in Illinois? These are individuals, what about their families?

      What’s the true number? Anyone know?

  36. james madison says:


    Meanwhile, Citizens United case by SCOTUS declares that corporations spending on campaigns equals free speech…WTF…

    The Christian Science Monitor wrote that the Court had declared “outright that corporate expenditures cannot corrupt elected officials, that influence over lawmakers is not corruption, and that appearance of influence will not undermine public faith in our democracy.” W T F

    • paul says:

      “Meanwhile, Citizens United case by SCOTUS declares that corporations spending on campaigns equals free speech…WTF…”

      Meanwhile, Jimmy Madison remains deathly silent about SCOTUS ruling in the exact same case that Democratic party controlled unions spending also equals free speech. Hilarious he just forgot to mention that. A union isn’t a person - WTF. LMAO@U
      Meanwhile, SCOTUS declares the Democratic isn’t a person either yet exercises undue influence. The Democratic Party must be prevented from spending on politics!
      Absolutely hilarious, Jimmy.

  37. Gustav Mahler says:

    Gershwin and Mahler

    “A new direction could be seen as well as heard in the Elgin Symphony Orchestra’s season opener Saturday night at the near-capacity Hemmens Cultural Center.

    Regular patrons noticed the changes to the orchestra’s former layout, with basses on the left and low brass on the right. Cellos and second violins swapped positions, following a recent trend toward authenticity that suited the weekend’s program especially well.

    In his conducting debut as ESO music director, the dashing Andrew Grams preceded his opening remarks with a gracious rendition of the National Anthem, bringing both the audience and the musicians to their feet.

    His welcome was instantly endearing as he invited the community to join him and the ESO on a “musical journey” — a theme echoed by his message in the printed program guide which, like last year, was strong on content but noticeably weak on ad sales.

    The two concert works by George Gershwin marked an excellent place to begin this journey, as they represent a uniquely American blend of jazz, popular song and classical rigor.

    Many listeners can only relate to symphonic music in the context of motion picture soundtracks, thus the attention-grabbing “Second Rhapsody,” taken from a 1932 movie score, fit the occasion perfectly. The powerful strides of solo pianist Terrence Wilson, along with colorful clarinet and muted trumpet, remind us why we never tire of Gershwin’s portrayals of the raucous counterpoint of 20th century urban life.

    “Variations on ‘I Got Rhythm’?” showcased the professionalism of the ESO, which sounded like a fine studio orchestra, but at times overpowered Wilson’s effervescent piano, making it difficult to hear during tutti sections. Grams’ conducting was sometimes animated and evocative, and other times polished and pragmatic throughout the first half of the program.

    After intermission, thoughtful remarks by Elgin Mayor David Kaptain highlighted the history and partnership of the city and its ensemble, noting that many of the ESO’s artists serve the local community as teachers. One local student symbolically passed the baton to Grams, who becomes only the fourth ESO music director in 64 years.

    It’s clear why Maestro Grams is so popular with the musicians and ESO Board (as he will be with audiences). He seems to cherish his audience, engaging us without condescending; and his style is spontaneous and casual but still elegant, opting for a suit and necktie instead of a white bow and tails.

    The program concluded with Symphony No. 1 “Titan” by Gustav Mahler, an immense work requiring nearly double the typical number of wind instruments, and lasting the better part of an hour. Similar in concept and reminiscent of well-known works by Mahler’s contemporary Richard Strauss, “Titan” is very listenable as it travels through a wide expanse of space, scale and setting.

    Despite the occasional imprecisions that creep into early fall performances, the brilliant section work by the ESO winds was matched by Grams’ dramatic interpretation and eloquent left hand. With its changing moods, diction, turns and false endings, Mahler’s “Titan” was a superb choice of overture to what we hope are many successful seasons with Andrew Grams and the Elgin Symphony Orchestra.”

    Jeffrey R. Pierce is an Elgin-based writer focused on the arts, and an avid amateur musician and composer who has worked with ensembles in local schools, colleges and churches since 2001. Educated at UW-Milwaukee and Brown University, Pierce is a graphic arts professional with R.R. Donnelley and an adjunct faculty member at Harper College.

    Music of John Williams

    “I was very surprised to be watching The Learning Channel and finding that the Elgin Symphony Orchestra was now advertising on TV to sell tickets for the first of its Pops Series, which took place last weekend.

    This new way to attract patrons must have worked, because this first Pops Concert was almost full. What better way to spend an evening than to be listening to the Elgin Symphony playing movie greats by John Williams.

    If you have ever attended an Elgin Symphony concert, you could not have helped but notice the new seating arrangement at the latest concert. New Music Director Andrew Grams made the decision to use a European seating arrangement rather than what had been used in the past.

    I was startled at first to be hearing the sounds from the different instruments coming from a place I was not accustomed to. The brass section, now closer to the front of the stage, was especially vibrantly highlighted by its closer proximity to the audience.

    Most of John Williams’ movie greats were easily recognizable, such as “Suite” from “Jaws,” “Raider’s March” from “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” and the “Imperial March” from “Star Wars.” Lesser-known tunes included “Escapades” from “Catch Me if You Can” and “Suite” from “Far and Away.”

    Guest Conductor Matthew Kraemer was quite entertaining, not only through his skill at conducting the orchestra but also by his excellent showmanship. He was hilarious with his execution of memories of when he first heard so many of the Williams’ tunes.

    Although it seemed like such an uphill battle to get the Elgin Symphony and the city of Elgin on better terms, the symphony is definitely on its way to provide continued top-notch musical performances under Grams’ leadership. Whatever financial difficulties occurred between the symphony and the city, it is time to put all of that behind us and to look to the future of continued partnership between the two entities. Despite the long-suffering disagreement, the outcome produced only winners.

    The Elgin Symphony especially should be commended for its professional fight to keep the organization afloat and moving forward. No doubt it will be successful during this rebuilding period, as this first Pops Series concert has indicated.

    The Fox Valley can be proud of the outstanding entertainment provided by this first-class symphony. The valley would not have been the same had the symphony needed to close down or move to another municipality. Our thanks to the ESO for making sure that our community will continue to be honored with distinctive entertainment right in our own backyard.”

    Linda McDaniel-Hale is a Sleepy Hollow resident.

    • Clyde says:

      All I learned was that through the Elgin taxpayer bailout, the ESO now has money to advertise on the Learning Channel.

      • Gustav Mahler says:

        Clyde, you really need to get out more often…

      • Gustav Mahler says:

        Clyde, remember, the word “bailout” was an attempt by John Prigge to defame the Orchestra, not an attempt to give you a complete picture of the two year negotiation…

        • Clyde says:


          Did the ESO Chairman approach the previous City Council in January 2013 and ask for money for the next three years?

          Did the ESO Chairman, at that same presentation, admit to mismanagement?

          Didn’t Mayor Kaptain in January say he was disappointed in the ESO? That he tried to be transparent and he didn’t think the ESO was transparent to the city claiming the water was murky and that the meetings with symphony board members and Mr. Lonis for a year it had been moving target for him. (Seems like the ESO took advantage of the City’s good nature for two yearts.)

          Since January up to the July vote, did the ESO do any fundraising to help out their financial situation or offer the city any money to pay down their debt?

          Did the ESO aquire $800,000 (in 2013) and not pay the City anything in back payments?

          Is the ESO the largest debtor to the City of Elgin?

          Is the ESO, now functioning and enjoying their new season due to the discounted rental rate at the Hemmens, the free office space and taxpayer deferred payments at a low interest rate for the next fifteen years?

          Did the City of Elgin just wipe off the books $70,000 of the over $300,000 debt pertaining to the discounted rate?

          The rehearsed tongue lashing that came from the Council members in January are the same Council members who voted for their taxpayer subsidy in July, with the exception of Councilman Prigge.

          The demise of the ESO was made clear to the Council members who voted to keep them afloat with this deal on the backs of the taxpayers.

          I think Mr. Prigge called it right. It was a bailout of a too big to fail symphony, who’s “Brand” has been tarnished by unpaid debt and who’s donors wouldn’t even contribute because they knew they had enough support from the majority of the Council who later authorized the deal. They just had to sit back and bide their time until the July vote.

          That’s what I call a “In the Bag” bailout. Perhaps if we had the $300,000 in the city account, Mr. Steffen and Ms. Moeller would not be worried about any lost revenue from the Business license fees. You can’t have it both ways, can you? Good music, bad debt and worse reputation.

          • paul says:

            ” if we had the $300,000 in the city account, ”

            Then the ESO would be subsidizing the taxpayers City of Elgin boondoggle called Hemmens.

            “You can’t have it both ways, can you?”

            Apparently you and Prigge think you can. Without your ESO you don’t have $300,000; yet you will STILL have the taxpayer funded (for the past 44 years) Hemmens and exactly the same taxpayer funded operating costs. Your delusion is thinking without the ESO some unknown entity will step and pay the $300,000 for the vacant Hemmens. Wrong.

            Without the ESO you lose the privately funded $2.5 million payroll of the local musicians and ALL the associated economic activity that $2.5M contributes to the local economy.

            Another lose/lose position promulgated by Clarence.

  38. Vote One says:

    Jason Dusenberry and OCTAVE are advertising a forum on Wednesday that will include the Heartland Institute. The Heartland Institute is funded by Tea Party founders the Koch Brothers (to the tune of $200,000 in 2012) and among their “issues” are denying climate change and the dangers of tobacco and second hand smoke. Why are Jason Dusenberry and Chuck Keysor bringing the Heartland Institute to Elgin? Do they believe that climate change is a hoax? Do they think smoking and second hand smoke is safe? Do they deny science and health research? This organization is a Tea Party, science-denying propaganda front for extreme right-wing causes.

    Check it out here:


    • One Vote says:

      …as opposed to knee-jerk liberalism, creating another government program for every societal problem, real or imagined.

      • Vote One says:

        Not surprised. You are as delusional as Chuck and Jason. The Tea Party is bringing this country down. Stooges for their wealthy corporate bosses like Koch and Company. Shilling for the big banks, big oil and Wall Street and using their fake populist agenda to whip up the masses. They have no place in Elgin.

        • Chuck Keysor says:

          Hello Vote One:

          I’m sorry that you want to just sling mud and brand Jason, me, and our friends in the Elgin OCTAVE as being puppets of the Tea Party. The Elgin OCTAVE is not the puppet of any organization or person. We are simply a group of concerned Elginites who are working for fiscal responsibility within Elgin City government.

          We believe that the rights of individuals are above the rights of the government, and that government is to be the servant of the people, and not the master of the people. If you find that to be objectionable, I am not surprised.

          You may disagree with us and I respect your right to do so, that is what makes this a free country, and that freedom has helped to make us a great country. When you want to say who has no place in Elgin and who does not, it indicates that you don’t believe in freedom and individual liberty. You simply want to exclude public discourse by people that do not share your values.

          On Wednesday, October 30th, in Room C of the Gail Borden Public Library, from 7 to 9PM, we are putting on a simple educational presentation that will provide a fresh look at Elgin’s finances. We think that many concerned citizens will want to hear the evaluation of Elgin’s finances as made by an independent, qualified, nationally recognized expert in municipal finance. Someone who has no vested interest in preserving the $190,000 per year job, or getting re-elected, can bring fresh and honest insights about Elgin’s financial state of affairs.

          If you find this alarming and even frightening, great. Put your head in the sand, and just keep slinging mud, because that is your right, just as it is my right to discard your emotionally driven, cravenly anonymous, empty insults.

          But for anyone who has an interest or concern about Elgin’s finances, please remember to attend our financial presentation on Elgin’s finances, as presented by Sheila Weinberg/(Truth in Accounting) and Steven Stanek/(The Hartland Institute), in Room C of the Gail Borden Public Library, at 7PM on Wednesday, October 30th!!!!!!!!!!

          Thanks, Chuck

    • paul says:

      “denying climate change and the dangers of tobacco and second hand smoke.”

      Classic. Again proving that if it on the internet it must be true.
      To that all I have to say is:
      Vote One, is it true you are still molesting little boys?

      Your fear and lies about the Heartland Institute would be hilarious if your objective wasn’t the termination of freedom and liberty.

    • Jason Dusenberry says:

      Calling on our local government or any form of government to be fiscally responsible just makes sense to us. It does not have to pertain to any specific political party, tea party or otherwise.

  39. Margaret Miller says:

    Vote One….As opposed to George Soros
    Sorry RS


    Organizations Funded Directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute - By Discover The Networks

    Organizations that, in recent years, have received direct funding and assistance from George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI) include the following. (Comprehensive profiles of each are available in the “Groups” section of DiscoverTheNetworks.org):

    Advancement Project: This organization works to organize “communities of color” into politically cohesive units while disseminating its leftist worldviews and values as broadly as possible by way of a sophisticated communications department.

    Air America Radio: Now defunct, this was a self-identified “liberal” radio network.

    All of Us or None: This organization seeks to change voting laws — which vary from state to state — so as to allow ex-inmates, parolees, and even current inmates to cast their ballots in political elections.

    Alliance for Justice: Best known for its activism vis a vis the appointment of federal judges, this group consistently depicts Republican judicial nominees as “extremists.”

    America Coming Together: Soros played a major role in creating this group, whose purpose was to coordinate and organize pro-Democrat voter-mobilization programs.

    America Votes: Soros also played a major role in creating this group, whose get-out-the-vote campaigns targeted likely Democratic voters.

    America’s Voice: This open-borders group seeks to promote “comprehensive” immigration reform that includes a robust agenda in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens.

    American Bar Association Commission on Immigration Policy: This organization “opposes laws that require employers and persons providing education, health care, or other social services to verify citizenship or immigration status.”

    American Bridge 21st Century: This Super PAC conducts opposition research designed to help Democratic political candidates defeat their Republican foes.

    American Civil Liberties Union: This group opposes virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by the U.S. government. It supports open borders, has rushed to the defense of suspected terrorists and their abettors, and appointed former New Left terrorist Bernardine Dohrn to its Advisory Board.

    American Constitution Society for Law and Policy: This Washington, DC-based think tank seeks to move American jurisprudence to the left by recruiting, indoctrinating, and mobilizing young law students, helping them acquire positions of power. It also provides leftist Democrats with a bully pulpit from which to denounce their political adversaries.

    American Family Voices: This group creates and coordinates media campaigns charging Republicans with wrongdoing.

    American Federation of Teachers: After longtime AFT President Albert Shanker died in in 1997, he was succeeded by Sandra Feldman, who slowly “re-branded” the union, allying it with some of the most powerful left-wing elements of the New Labor Movement. When Feldman died in 2004, Edward McElroy took her place, followed by Randi Weingarten in 2008. All of them kept the union on the leftward course it had adopted in its post-Shanker period.

    American Friends Service Committee: This group views the United States as the principal cause of human suffering around the world. As such, it favors America’s unilateral disarmament, the dissolution of American borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, the abolition of the death penalty, and the repeal of the Patriot Act.

    American Immigration Council: This non-profit organization is a prominent member of the open-borders lobby. It advocates expanded rights and amnesty for illegal aliens residing in the U.S.

    American Immigration Law Foundation: This group supports amnesty for illegal aliens, on whose behalf it litigates against the U.S. government.

    American Institute for Social Justice: AISJ’s goal is to produce skilled community organizers who can “transform poor communities” by agitating for increased government spending on city services, drug interdiction, crime prevention, housing, public-sector jobs, access to healthcare, and public schools.

    American Library Association: This group has been an outspoken critic of the Bush administration’s War on Terror — most particularly, Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act, which it calls “a present danger to the constitutional rights and privacy rights of library users.”
    The American Prospect, Inc.: This corporation trains and mentors young leftwing journalists, and organizes strategy meetings for leftist leaders.

    Amnesty International: This organization directs a grossly disproportionate share of its criticism for human rights violations at the United States and Israel.

    Applied Research Center: Viewing the United States as a nation where “structural racism” is deeply “embedded in the fabric of society,” ARC seeks to “build a fair and equal society” by demanding “concrete change from our most powerful institutions.”

    Arab American Institute Foundation: The Arab American Institute denounces the purportedly widespread civil liberties violations directed against Arab Americans in the post-9/11 period, and characterizes Israel as a brutal oppressor of the Palestinian people.

    Aspen Institute: This organization promotes radical environmentalism and views America as a nation plagued by deep-seated “structural racism.”

    Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now: This group conducts voter mobilization drives on behalf of leftist Democrats. These initiatives have been notoriously marred by fraud and corruption.

    Ballot Initiative Strategy Center: This organization seeks to advance “a national progressive strategy” by means of ballot measures—state-level legislative proposals that pass successfully through a petition (“initiative”) process and are then voted upon by the public.

    Bill of Rights Defense Committee: This group provides a detailed blueprint for activists interested in getting their local towns, cities, and even college campuses to publicly declare their opposition to the Patriot Act, and to designate themselves “Civil Liberties Safe Zones.” The organization also came to the defense of self-described radical attorney Lynne Stewart, who was convicted in 2005 of providing material support for terrorism.

    Black Alliance for Just Immigration: This organization seeks to create a unified movement for “social and economic justice” centered on black racial identity.

    Blueprint North Carolina: This group seeks to “influence state policy in North Carolina so that residents of the state benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and access to reproductive health services.”

    Brennan Center for Justice: This think tank/legal activist group generates scholarly studies, mounts media campaigns, files amicus briefs, gives pro bono support to activists, and litigates test cases in pursuit of radical “change.”

    Brookings Institution: This organization has been involved with a variety of internationalist and state-sponsored programs, including one that aspires to facilitate the establishment of a U.N.-dominated world government. Brookings Fellows have also called for additional global collaboration on trade and banking; the expansion of the Kyoto Protocol; and nationalized health insurance for children. Nine Brookings economists signed a petitionopposing President Bush’s tax cuts in 2003.

    Campaign for America’s Future: This group supports tax hikes, socialized medicine, and a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs.

    Campaign for Better Health Care: This organization favors a single-payer, government-run, universal health care system.

    Campaign for Youth Justice: This organization contends that “transferring juveniles to the adult criminal-justice system leads to higher rates of recidivism, puts incarcerated and detained youth at unnecessary risk, has little deterrence value, and does not increase public safety.”

    Campus Progress: A project of the Soros-bankrolled Center for American Progress, this group seeks to “strengthen progressive voices on college and university campuses, counter the growing influence of right-wing groups on campus, and empower new generations of progressive leaders.”

    Casa de Maryland: This organization aggressively lobbies legislators to vote in favor of policies that promote expanded rights, including amnesty, for illegal aliens currently residing in the United States.

    Catalist: This is a for-profit political consultancy that seeks “to help progressive organizations realize measurable increases in civic participation and electoral success by building and operating a robust national voter database of every voting-age American.”
    Catholics for Choice: This nominally Catholic organization supports women’s right to abortion-on-demand.
    Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good: This political nonprofit group is dedicated to generating support from the Catholic community for leftwing candidates, causes, and legislation.

    Center for American Progress: This leftist think tank is headed by former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta, works closely with Hillary Clinton, and employs numerous former Clinton administration staffers. It is committed to “developing a long-term vision of a progressive America” and “providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals.”

    Center for Community Change: This group recruits and trains activists to spearhead leftist “political issue campaigns.” Promoting increased funding for social welfare programs by bringing “attention to major national issues related to poverty,” the Center bases its training programs on the techniques taught by the famed radical organizer Saul Alinsky.

    Center for Constitutional Rights: This pro-Castro organization is a core member of the open borders lobby, has opposed virtually all post-9/11 anti-terrorism measures by the U.S. government, and alleges that American injustice provokes acts of international terrorism.
    Center for Economic and Policy Research: This group opposed welfare reform, supports “living wage” laws, rejects tax cuts, and consistently lauds the professed achievements of socialist regimes, most notably Venezuela.

    Center for Reproductive Rights: CRR’s mission is to guarantee safe, affordable contraception and abortion-on-demand for all women, including adolescents. The organization has filed state and federal lawsuits demanding access to taxpayer-funded abortions (through Medicaid) for low-income women.

    Center for Responsible Lending: This organization was a major player in the subprime mortgage crisis. According to Phil Kerpen (vice president for policy at Americans for Prosperity), CRL “sh[ook] down and harass[ed] banks into making bad loans to unqualified borrowers.” Moreover, CRL negotiated a contract enabling it to operate as a conduit of high-risk loans to Fannie Mae.

    Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: Reasoning from the premise that tax cuts generally help only the wealthy, this organization advocates greater tax expenditures on social welfare programs for low earners.

    Center on Wisconsin Strategy (COWS): Aiming to redistribute wealth by way of higher taxes imposed on those whose incomes are above average, COWS contends that “it is important that state government be able to harness fair contribution from all parts of society – including corporations and the wealthy.”

    Change America Now: Formed in December 2006, Change America Now describes itself as “an independent political organization created to educate citizens on the failed policies of the Republican Congress and to contrast that record of failure with the promise offered by a Democratic agenda.”

    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington: This group litigates and brings ethics charges against “government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests” and “betray the public trust.” Almost all of its targets are Republicans.

    Coalition for an International Criminal Court: This group seeks to subordinate American criminal-justice procedures to those of an international court.

    Common Cause: This organization aims to bring about campaign-finance reform, pursue media reform resembling the Fairness Doctrine, and cut military budgets in favor of increased social-welfare and environmental spending.

    Constitution Project: This organization seeks to challenge the legality of military commissions; end the detainment of “enemy combatants”; condemn government surveillance of terrorists; and limit the President’s executive privileges.

    Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund: Defenders of Wildlife opposes oil exploration in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. It condemns logging, ranching, mining, and even the use of recreational motorized vehicles as activities that are destructive to the environment.

    Democracy Alliance: This self-described “liberal organization” aims to raise $200 million to develop a funding clearinghouse for leftist groups. Soros is a major donor to this group.

    Democracy 21: This group is a staunch supporter of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, also known as the McCain-Feingold Act.

    Democracy Now!: Democracy Now! was created in 1996 by WBAI radio news director Amy Goodman and four partners to provide “perspectives rarely heard in the U.S. corporate-sponsored media,” i.e., the views of radical and foreign journalists, left and labor activists, and ideological foes of capitalism.

    Democratic Justice Fund: DJF opposes the Patriot Act and most efforts to restrict or regulate immigration into the United States — particularly from countries designated by the State Department as “terrorist nations.”

    Democratic Party: Soros’ funding activities are devoted largely to helping the Democratic Party solidify its power base. In a November 2003 interview, Soros stated that defeating President Bush in 2004 “is the central focus of my life” … “a matter of life and death.” He pledged to raise $75 million to defeat Bush, and personally donated nearly a third of that amount to anti-Bush organizations. “America under Bush,” he said, “is a danger to the world, and I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.”
    Demos: This organization lobbies federal and state policymakers to “addres[s] the economic insecurity and inequality that characterize American society today”; promotes “ideas for reducing gaps in wealth, income and political influence”; and favors tax hikes for the wealthy.

    Drum Major Institute: This group describes itself as “a non-partisan, non-profit think tank generating the ideas that fuel the progressive movement,” with the ultimate aim of persuading “policymakers and opinion-leaders” to take steps that advance its vision of “social and economic justice.”

    Earthjustice: This group seeks to place severe restrictions on how U.S. land and waterways may be used. It opposes most mining and logging initiatives, commercial fishing businesses, and the use of motorized vehicles in undeveloped areas.

    Economic Policy Institute: This organization believes that “government must play an active role in protecting the economically vulnerable, ensuring equal opportunity, and improving the well-being of all Americans.”

    Electronic Privacy Information Center: This organization has been a harsh critic of the USA PATRIOT Act and has joined the American Civil Liberties Union in litigating two cases calling for the FBI “to publicly release or account for thousands of pages of information about the government’s use of PATRIOT Act powers.”

    Ella Baker Center for Human Rights: Co-founded by the revolutionary communist Van Jones, this anti-poverty organization claims that “decades of disinvestment in our cities” — compounded by “excessive, racist policing and over-incarceration” — have “led to despair and homelessness.”

    EMILY’s List: This political network raises money for Democratic female political candidates who support unrestricted access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.

    Energy Action Coalition: Founded in 2004, this group describes itself as “a coalition of 50 youth-led environmental and social justice groups working together to build the youth clean energy and climate movement.” For EAC, this means “dismantling oppression” according to its principles of environmental justice.

    Fair Immigration Reform Movement: This is the open-borders arm of the Center for Community Change.

    Faithful America: This organization promotes the redistribution of wealth, an end to enhanced interrogation procedures vis a vis prisoners-of-war, the enactment of policies to combat global warming, and the creation of a government-run heath care system.

    Feminist Majority: Characterizing the United States as an inherently sexist nation, this group focuses on “advancing the legal, social and political equality of women with men, countering the backlash to women’s advancement, and recruiting and training young feminists to encourage future leadership for the feminist movement in the United States.”

    Four Freedoms Fund: This organization was designed to serve as a conduit through which large foundations could fund state-based open-borders organizations more flexibly and quickly.

    Free Exchange on Campus: This organization was created solely to oppose the efforts of one individual, David Horowitz, and his campaign to have universities adopt an “Academic Bill of Rights,” as well as todenounce Horowitz’s 2006 book The Professors. Member organizations of FEC include Campus Progress (a project of the Center for American Progress); the American Association of University Professors; the American Civil Liberties Union; People For the American Way; the United States Student Association; theCenter for Campus Free Speech; the American Library Association; Free Press; and the National Association of State Public Interest Research Groups.

    Free Press: This “media reform” organization has worked closely with many notable leftists and such organizations as Media Matters for America, Air America Radio, Global Exchange, Code Pink, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, the Revolutionary Communist Party, Mother Jones magazine, and Pacifica Radio.

    Funding Exchange: Dedicated to the concept of philanthropy as a vehicle for social change, this organization pairs leftist donors and foundations with likeminded groups and activists who are dedicated to bringing about their own version of “progressive” change and social justice. Many of these grantees assume that American society is rife with racism, discrimination, exploitation, and inequity and needs to be overhauled via sustained education, activism, and social agitation.

    Gamaliel Foundation: Modeling its tactics on those of the radical Sixties activist Saul Alinsky, this group takes a strong stand against current homeland security measures and immigration restrictions.

    Gisha: Center for the Legal Protection of Freedom of Movement: This anti-Israel organization seeks to help Palestinians “exercise their right to freedom of movement.”
    Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect: This group contends that when a state proves either unable or unwilling to protect civilians from mass atrocities occurring within its borders, it is the responsibility of the international community to intervene — peacefully if possible, but with military force if necessary.

    Global Exchange: Established in 1988 by pro-Castro radical Medea Benjamin, this group consistently condemns America’s foreign policy, business practices, and domestic life. Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Global Exchange advised Americans to examine “the root causes of resentment against the United States in the Arab world — from our dependence on Middle Eastern oil to our biased policy towards Israel.”

    Grantmakers Without Borders: GWB tends to be very supportive of leftist environmental, anti-war, and civil rights groups. It is also generally hostile to capitalism, which it deems one of the chief “political, economic, and social systems” that give rise to a host of “social ills.”

    Green For All: This group was created by Van Jones to lobby for federal climate, energy, and economic policy initiatives.
    Health Care for America Now: This group supports a “single payer” model where the federal government would be in charge of financing and administering the entire U.S. healthcare system.

    Human Rights Campaign: The largest “lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender” lobbying group in the United States, HRC supports political candidates and legislation that will advance the LGBT agenda. Historically, HRC has most vigorously championed HIV/AIDS-related legislation, “hate crime” laws, the abrogation of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, and the legalization of gay marriage.

    Human Rights First: This group supports open borders and the rights of illegal aliens; charges that the Patriot Act severely erodes Americans’ civil liberties; has filed amicus curiae briefs on behalf of terror suspect Jose Padilla; and deplores the Guantanamo Bay detention facilities.

    Human Rights Watch: This group directs a disproportionate share of its criticism at the United States and Israel. It opposes the death penalty in all cases, and supports open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

    I’lam: This anti-Israel NGO seeks “to develop and empower the Arab media and to give voice to Palestinian issues.”
    Immigrant Defense Project: To advance the cause of illegal immigrants, the IDP provides immigration law backup support and counseling to New York defense attorneys and others who represent or assist immigrants in criminal justice and immigration systems, as well as to immigrants themselves.

    Immigrant Legal Resource Center: This group claims to have helped gain amnesty for some three million illegal aliens in the U.S., and in the 1980s was part of the sanctuary movement which sought to grant asylum to refugees from the failed Communist states of Central America.

    Immigrant Workers Citizenship Project: This open-borders organization advocates mass immigration to the U.S.
    Immigration Advocates Network: This alliance of immigrant-rights groups seeks to “increase access to justice for low-income immigrants and strengthen the capacity of organizations serving them.”

    Immigration Policy Center: IPC is an advocate of open borders and contends that the massive influx of illegal immigrants into America is due to U.S. government policy, since “the broken immigration system […] spurs unauthorized immigration in the first place.”
    Independent Media Center: This Internet-based, news and events bulletin board represents an invariably leftist, anti-capitalist perspective and serves as a mouthpiece for anti-globalization/anti-America themes.

    Independent Media Institute: IMI administers the SPIN Project (Strategic Press Information Network), which provides leftist organizations with “accessible and affordable strategic communications consulting, training, coaching, networking opportunities and concrete tools” to help them “achieve their social justice goals.”

    Institute for America’s Future: IAF supports socialized medicine, increased government funding for education, and the creation of an infrastructure “to ensure that the voice of the progressive majority is heard.”

    Institute for New Economic Thinking: Seeking to create a new worldwide “economic paradigm,” this organization is staffed by numerous individuals who favor government intervention in national economies, and who view capitalism as a flawed system.

    Institute for Policy Studies: This think tank has long supported Communist and anti-American causes around the world. Viewing capitalism as a breeding ground for “unrestrained greed,” IPS seeks to provide a corrective to “unrestrained markets and individualism.” Professing an unquestioning faith in the righteousness of the United Nations, it aims to bring American foreign policy under UN control.

    Institute for Public Accuracy: This anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Israel organization sponsored actor Sean Penn’s celebrated visit to Baghdad in 2002. It also sponsored visits to Iraq by Democratic Congressmen Nick Rahall and former Democrat Senator James Abourezk
    Institute for Women’s Policy Research: This group views the U.S. as a nation rife with discrimination against women, and publishes research to draw attention to this alleged state of affairs. It also advocates unrestricted access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, stating that “access to abortion is essential to the economic well-being of women and girls.”

    International Crisis Group: One of this organization’s leading figures is its Mideast Director, Robert Malley, who was President Bill Clinton’s Special Assistant for Arab-Israeli Affairs. His analysis of the Mideast conflict is markedly pro-Palestinian.

    J Street: This anti-Israel group warns that Israel’s choice to take military action to stop Hamas’ terrorist attacks “will prove counter-productive and only deepen the cycle of violence in the region”

    Jewish Funds for Justice: This organization views government intervention and taxpayer funding as crucial components of enlightened social policy. It seeks to redistribute wealth from Jewish donors to low-income communities “to combat the root causes of domestic economic and social injustice.” By JFJ’s reckoning, chief among those root causes are the inherently negative by-products of capitalism – most notably racism and “gross economic inequality.”
    Joint Victory Campaign 2004: Founded by George Soros and Harold Ickes, this group was a major fundraising entity for Democrats during the 2004 election cycle. It collected contributions (including large amounts from Soros personally) and disbursed them to two other groups, America Coming Together and the Media Fund, which also worked on behalf of Democrats.

    Justice at Stake: This coalition calls for judges to be appointed by nonpartisan, independent commissions in a process known as “merit selection,” rather than elected by the voting public.

    LatinoJustice PRLDF: This organization supports bilingual education, the racial gerrymandering of voting districts, and expanded rights for illegal aliens.

    Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law: This group views America as an unremittingly racist nation; uses the courts to mandate race-based affirmative action preferences in business and academia; has filed briefs against the Department of Homeland Security’s efforts to limit the wholesale granting of green cards and to identify potential terrorists; condemns the Patriot Act; and calls on Americans to “recognize the contribution” of illegal aliens.

    League of United Latin American Citizens: This group views America as a nation plagued by “an alarming increase in xenophobia and anti-Hispanic sentiment”; favors racial preferences; supports the legalization of illegal Hispanic aliens; opposes military surveillance of U.S. borders; opposes making English America’s official language; favors open borders; and rejects anti-terrorism legislation like the Patriot Act.

    League of Women Voters Education Fund: The League supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; supports “motor-voter” registration, which allows anyone with a driver’s license to become a voter, regardless of citizenship status; and supports tax hikes and socialized medicine.

    League of Young Voters: This organization seeks to “empowe[r] young people nationwide” to “participate in the democratic process and create progressive political change on the local, state and national level[s].”

    Lynne Stewart Defense Committee: IRS records indicate that Soros’s Open Society Institute made a September 2002 grant of $20,000 to this organization. Stewart was the criminal-defense attorney who was later convicted for abetting her client, the “blind sheik” Omar Abdel Rahman, in terrorist activities connected with his Islamic Group.

    Machsom Watch: This organization describes itself as “a movement of Israeli women, peace activists from all sectors of Israeli society, who oppose the Israeli occupation and the denial of Palestinians’ rights to move freely in their land.”

    MADRE: This international women’s organization deems America the world’s foremost violator of human rights. As such, it seeks to “communicat[e] the real-life impact of U.S. policies on women and families confronting violence, poverty and repression around the world,” and to “demand alternatives to destructive U.S. policies.” It also advocates unrestricted access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.

    Malcolm X Grassroots Movement: This group views the U.S. as a nation replete with racism and discrimination against blacks; seeks to establish an independent black nation in the southeastern United States; and demands reparations for slavery.

    Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition: This group calls for the expansion of civil rights and liberties for illegal aliens; laments that illegal aliens in America are commonly subjected to “worker exploitation”; supports tuition-assistance programs for illegal aliens attending college; and characterizes the Patriot Act as a “very troubling” assault on civil liberties.

    Media Fund: Soros played a major role in creating this group, whose purpose was to conceptualize, produce, and place political ads on television, radio, print, and the Internet.

    Media Matters for America: This organization is a “web-based, not-for-profit … progressive research and information center” seeking to “systematically monitor a cross-section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation.” The group works closely with the Soros-backed Center for American Progress, and is heavily funded by Democracy Alliance, of which Soros is a major financier.

    Mercy Corps: Vis a vis the Arab-Israeli conflict, Mercy Corps places all blame for Palestinian poverty and suffering directly on Israel.

    Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund: This group advocates open borders, free college tuition for illegal aliens, lowered educational standards to accommodate Hispanics, and voting rights for criminals. In MALDEF’s view, supporters of making English the official language of the United States are “motivated by racism and anti-immigrant sentiments,” while advocates of sanctions against employers reliant on illegal labor seek to discriminate against “brown-skinned people.”
    Meyer, Suozzi, English and Klein, PC: This influential defender of Big Labor is headed by Democrat operative Harold Ickes.

    Midwest Academy: This entity trains radical activists in the tactics of direct action, targeting, confrontation, and intimidation.

    Migration Policy Institute: This group seeks to create “a North America with gradually disappearing border controls … with permanent migration remaining at moderate levels.”

    Military Families Speak Out: This group ascribes the U.S. invasion of Iraq to American imperialism and lust for oil.
    MoveOn.org: This Web-based organization supports Democratic political candidates through fundraising, advertising, and get-out-the-vote drives.

    Ms. Foundation for Women: This group laments what it views as the widespread and enduring flaws of American society: racism, sexism, homophobia, and the violation of civil rights and liberties. It focuses its philanthropy on groups that promote affirmative action for women, unfettered access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, amnesty for illegal aliens, and big government generally.

    NARAL Pro-Choice America: This group supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, and works to elect pro-abortion Democrats.

    NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund: The NAACP supports racial preferences in employment and education, as well as the racial gerrymandering of voting districts. Underpinning its support for race preferences is the fervent belief that white racism in the United States remains an intractable, largely undiminished, phenomenon.

    The Nation Institute: This nonprofit entity sponsors leftist conferences, fellowships, awards for radical activists, and journalism internships.

    National Abortion Federation: This group opposes any restrictions on abortion at either the state or federal levels, and champions the introduction of unrestricted abortion into developing regions of the world.

    National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty: This group was established in 1976 as the first “fully staffed national organization exclusively devoted to abolishing capital punishment.”

    National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy: This group depicts the United States as a nation in need of dramatic structural change financed by philanthropic organizations. It overwhelmingly promotes grant-makers and grantees with leftist agendas, while criticizing their conservative counterparts.

    National Committee for Voting Integrity: This group opposes “the implementation of proof of citizenship and photo identification requirements for eligible electors in American elections as the means of assuring election integrity.”

    National Council for Research on Women: This group supports big government, high taxes, military spending cuts, increased social welfare spending, and the unrestricted right to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.

    National Council of La Raza: This group lobbies for racial preferences, bilingual education, stricter hate-crime laws, mass immigration, and amnesty for illegal aliens.

    National Council of Women’s Organizations: This group views the United States as a nation rife with injustice against girls and women. It advocates high levels of spending for social welfare programs, and supports race and gender preferences for minorities and women in business and academia.

    National Immigration Forum: Opposing the enforcement of present immigration laws, this organization urges the American government to “legalize” en masse all illegal aliens currently in the United States who have no criminal records, and to dramatically increase the number of visas available for those wishing to migrate to the U.S. The Forum is particularly committed to opening the borders to unskilled, low-income workers, and immediately making them eligible for welfare and social service programs.

    National Immigration Law Center: This group seeks to win unrestricted access to government-funded social welfare programs for illegal aliens.

    National Lawyers Guild: This group promotes open borders; seeks to weaken America’s intelligence-gathering agencies; condemns the Patriot Act as an assault on civil liberties; rejects capitalism as an unviable economic system; has rushed to the defense of convicted terrorists and their abettors; and generally opposes all U.S. foreign policy positions, just as it did during the Cold War when it sided with the Soviets.

    National Organization for Women: This group advocates the unfettered right to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; seeks to “eradicate racism, sexism and homophobia” from American society; attacks Christianity and traditional religious values; and supports gender-based preferences for women.

    National Partnership for Women and Families: This organization supports race- and sex-based preferences in employment and education. It also advocates for the universal “right” of women to undergo taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason.

    National Priorities Project: This group supports government-mandated redistribution of wealth — through higher taxes and greater expenditures on social welfare programs. NPP exhorts the government to redirect a significant portion of its military funding toward public education, universal health insurance, environmentalist projects, and welfare programs.

    National Public Radio: Founded in 1970 with 90 public radio stations as charter members, NPR is today a loose network of more than 750 U.S. radio stations across the country, many of which are based on college and university campuses. (source)

    National Security Archive Fund: This group collects and publishes declassified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act to a degree that compromises American national security and the safety of intelligence agents.

    National Women’s Law Center: This group supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; lobbies against conservative judicial appointees; advocates increased welfare spending to help low-income mothers; and favors higher taxes for the purpose of generating more funds for such government programs as Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, foster care, health care, child-support enforcement, and student loans.
    Natural Resources Defense Council: One of the most influential environmentalist lobbying groups in the United States, the Council claims a membership of one million people.

    New America Foundation: This organization uses policy papers, media articles, books, and educational events to influence public opinion on such topics as healthcare, environmentalism, energy policy, the Mideast conflict, global governance, and much more.

    New Israel Fund: This organization gives support to NGOs that regularly produce reports accusing Israel of human-rights violations and religious persecution.

    NewsCorpWatch: A project of Media Matters For America, NewsCorpWatch was established with the help of a $1 million George Soros grant to Media Matters.

    Pacifica Foundation: This entity owns and operates Pacifica Radio, awash from its birth with the socialist-Marxist rhetoric of class warfare and hatred for capitalism.
    Peace and Security Funders Group: This is an association of more than 60 foundations that give money to leftist anti-war and environmentalist causes. Its members tend to depict America as the world’s chief source of international conflict, environmental destruction, and economic inequalities.

    Peace Development Fund: In PDF’s calculus, the United States needs a massive overhaul of its social and economic institutions. “Recently,” explains PDF, “we have witnessed the negative effects of neo-liberalism and the globalization of capitalism, the de-industrialization of the U.S. and the growing gap between the rich and poor …”
    People for the American Way: This group opposes the Patriot Act, anti-terrorism measures generally, and the allegedly growing influence of the “religious right.”

    Physicians for Human Rights: This group is selectively and disproportionately critical of the United States and Israel in its condemnations of human rights violations.

    Physicians for Social Responsibility: This is an anti-U.S.-military organization that also embraces the tenets of radical environmentalism.

    Planned Parenthood: This group is the largest abortion provider in the United States and advocates taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.
    Ploughshares Fund: This public grantmaking foundation opposes America’s development of a missile defense system, and contributes to many organizations that are highly critical of U.S. foreign policies and military ventures.

    Prepare New York: This group supported the proposed construction of a Muslim Community Center near Ground Zero in lower Manhattan – a project known as the Cordoba Initiative, headed by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

    Presidential Climate Action Project: PCAP’s mission is to create a new 21st-century economy, completely carbon-free and based largely on renewable energy. A key advisor to the organization is the revolutionary communist Van Jones.

    Prison Moratorium Project: This initiative was created in 1995 for the express purpose of working for the elimination of all prisons in the United States and the release of all inmates. Reasoning from the premise that incarceration is never an appropriate means of dealing with crime, it deems American society’s inherent inequities the root of all criminal behavior.

    Progressive Change Campaign Committee: This organization works “to elect bold progressive candidates to federal office and to help [them] and their campaigns save money, work smarter, and win more often.”

    Progressive States Network: PSN’s mission is to “pass progressive legislation in all fifty states by providing coordinated research and strategic advocacy tools to forward-thinking state legislators.”

    Project Vote: This is the voter-mobilization arm of the Soros-funded ACORN. A persistent pattern of lawlessness and corruption has followed ACORN/Project Vote activities over the years.

    Pro Publica: Claiming that “investigative journalism is at risk,” this group aims to remedy this lacuna in news publishing by “expos[ing] abuses of power and betrayals of the public trust by government, business, and other institutions, using the moral force of investigative journalism to spur reform through the sustained spotlighting of wrongdoing.”

    Proteus Fund: This foundation directs its philanthropy toward a number of radical leftwing organizations.
    Public Citizen Foundation: Public Citizen seeks increased government intervention and litigation against corporations — a practice founded on the notion that American corporations, like the capitalist system of which they are a part, are inherently inclined toward corruption.

    Public Justice Center: Viewing America as a nation rife with injustice and discrimination, this organization engages in legislative and policy advocacy to promote “systemic change for the disenfranchised.”

    Rebuild and Renew America Now (a.k.a. Unity ‘09): Spearheaded by MoveOn.org and overseen by longtime activist Heather Booth, this coalition was formed to facilitate the passage of President Obama’s “historic” $3.5 trillion budget for fiscal year 2010.

    Res Publica: Seeking to advance far-left agendas in places all around the world, RP specializes in “E-advocacy,” or web-based movement-building.

    Secretary of State Project: This project was launched in July 2006 as an independent “527″ organization devoted to helping Democrats get elected to the office of Secretary of State in selected swing, or battleground, states.

    Sentencing Project: Asserting that prison-sentencing patterns are racially discriminatory, this initiative advocates voting rights for felons.

    Social Justice Leadership: This organization seeks to transform an allegedly inequitable America into a “just society” by means of “a renewed social-justice movement.”

    Shadow Democratic Party: This is an elaborate network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources — money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising, and policy iniatives — to elect Democratic candidates and guide the Democratic Party towards the left.

    Sojourners: This evangelical Christian ministry preaches radical leftwing politics. During the 1980s it championed Communist revolution in Central America and chastised U.S. policy-makers for their tendency “to assume the very worst about their Soviet counterparts.” More recently, Sojourners has taken up the cause of environmental activism, opposed welfare reform as a “mean-spirited Republican agenda,” and mounted a defense of affirmative action.
    Southern Poverty Law Center: This organization monitors the activities of what it calls “hate groups” in the United States. It exaggerates the prevalence of white racism directed against American minorities.

    State Voices: This coalition helps independent local activist groups in 22 states work collaboratively on a year-round basis, so as to maximize the impact of their efforts.

    Think Progress: This Internet blog “pushes back, daily,” by its own account, against its conservative targets, and seeks to transform “progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing and advocacy, and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world.”

    Thunder Road Group: This political consultancy, in whose creation Soros had a hand, coordinates strategy for the Media Fund, America Coming Together, and America Votes.

    Tides Foundation and Tides Center: Tides is a major funder of the radical Left.

    U.S. Public Interest Research Group: This is an umbrella organization of student groups that support leftist agendas.

    Universal Healthcare Action Network: This organization supports a single-payer health care system controlled by the federal government.

    Urban Institute: This research organization favors socialized medicine, expansion of the federal welfare bureaucracy, and tax hikes for higher income-earners.

    USAction Education Fund: USAction lists its priorities as: “fighting the right wing agenda”; “building grassroots political power”; winning “social, racial and economic justice for all”; supporting a system of taxpayer-funded socialized medicine; reversing “reckless tax cuts for millionaires and corporations” which shield the “wealthy” from paying their “fair share”; advocating for “pro-consumer and environmental regulation of corporate abuse”; “strengthening progressive voices on local, state and national issues”; and working to “register, educate and get out the vote … [to] help progressives get elected at all levels of government.”

    Voto Latino: This group seeks to mobilize Latin-Americans to become registered voters and political activists.

    Working Families Party: An outgrowth of the socialist New Party, WFP seeks to help push the Democratic Party toward the left.

    World Organization Against Torture: This coalition works closely with groups that condemn Israeli security measures against Palestinian terrorism.

    YWCA World Office, Switzerland: The YWCA opposes abstinence education; supports universal access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; and opposes school vouchers.

    “Secondary” or “Indirect” Affiliates of the George Soros Network
    By Discover The Networks

    In addition to those organizations that are funded directly by George Soros and his Open Society Institute (OSI), there are also numerous “secondary” or “indirect” affiliates of the Soros network. These include organizations which do not receive direct funding from Soros and OSI, but which are funded by one or more organizations that do.

    Center for Progressive Leadership: Funded by the Soros-bankrolled Democracy Alliance, this anti-capitalist organization is dedicated to training future leftist political leaders.

    John Adams Project:This project of the American Civil Liberties Union was accused of: (a) having hired investigators to photograph CIA officers thought to have been involved in enhanced interrogations of terror suspects detained in Guantanamo, and then (b) showing the photos to the attorneys of those suspects, some of whom were senior al-Qaeda operatives.

    Moving Ideas Network (MIN): This coalition of more than 250 leftwing activist groups is a partner organization of the Soros-backed Center for American Progress. MIN was originally a project of the Soros-backed American Prospect and, as such, received indirect funding from the Open Society Institute. In early 2006, The American Prospect relinquished control of the Moving Ideas Network.

    New Organizing Institute: Created by the Soros-funded MoveOn.org, this group “trains young, technology-enabled political organizers to work for progressive campaigns and organizations.”

    Think Progress: This “project” of the American Progress Action Fund, which is a “sister advocacy organization”of the Soros-funded Center for American Progress and Campus Progress, seeks to transform “progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing and advocacy, and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world.”

    Vote for Change: Coordinated by the political action committee of the Soros-funded MoveOn.org, Vote for Change was a group of 41 musicians and bands that performed concerts in several key election “battleground”states during October 2004, to raise money in support of Democrat John Kerry’s presidential bid.

    Working Families Party: Created in 1998 to help push the Democratic Party toward the left, this front group for the Soros-funded ACORN functions as a political party that promotes ACORN-friendly candidates.

    • James Madison says:

      Margaret, except to demonstrate your amazing ability to cut and paste, is there a point here? Here’s a cut and paste for you and JP.



      • Margaret Miller says:

        Another liberal that missed the point of common sense and keeps repeating the same mantra as if repeating something often enough actually makes it true.

      • Margaret Miller says:

        Your video plug was less than impressive. Since the website does not function and offers the applicant a message that the site is down offering a customer service number to call, what say you regarding the 35 states that chose to opt out of exchanges?

        • James Madison says:

          Of course they opted out since they are managed by REPUBLICON legislatures and governors who were mostly elected in the same small voter turnout that elected so many TEA PARTY (i.e., KU KLUX KLAN members) to Congress and the Elgin City Council.

          Their only agenda is to scuttle anything close to success from the Kenyan, Socialist Moslem in the White House. BTW,Ohio has a Republicon governor and just chose to opt IN. This won’t be the last state to do so.

          There are 21, not 35 states that have not yet established Insurance Exchanges. Let’s look at those states and the party of their Governor:

          Alabama - REPUBLICON

          18 of 21 are REPUBLICONS, coincidence? You decide.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            So I’m guessing that the other states are run by Democrats who ran their state into the ground and are looking for that all providing government helping hand on the backs of tax payers.

            Do you not see a pattern here? GOP run states are successful even in economic times of stress and the Democratic states are bankrupt and out of control in more ways than you want me to list.

            These are the states people from Illinois are flocking too. When will your side ever get this?

            RS, I would hope that your monitoring of James has your radar up because as you know, the conservative side doesn’t speak or name call in this manner. Perhaps James requires a 30 day time out to think about his bad choice of words and hateful opinions of anyone or any side that disagrees with him.

            Lots of hatred there.

          • paul says:

            James Madison: “TEA PARTY (i.e., KU KLUX KLAN members)”

            LMAO@u, jim.

            Of course, anybody concerned with massive government debt must be a racist bigot. Absolutely nothing else could possibly account for concern over a meager $17 TRILLION debt.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            What I have decided is that there are three smart democrats out there.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            James…here’s the truthful number.
            Hey James, you read too quickly…

            As of September 17, 2013

            North Carolina is one of 21 states that opted not to expand its Medicaid rolls and one of 34 states not setting up a state health insurance exchange.


      • paul says:


        WTH is misogony? ROTFLMAO@U

        racism is endemic to the Democratic party. Just causually, recently, Biden talking about Obama being clean and articulate. And Clinton saying, a few years ago, ‘Oh, he would be getting my suitcase.’ And Harry Reid, ‘it’s wonderful he doesn’t speak in a negro dialect unless he wants to.’

  40. Vote One says:

    Who cares about George Soros? Not relevant. No one is bringing him or his organization to Elgin.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      No, take a long look at the list if you didn’t review it carefully. Many of his organizations have already set up shop years ago.

  41. James Madison says:

    Margaret Miller:

    You are right (wing), lots of hatred here for everything the REPUBLICONS do and have done to this country. Politics is all about illusion. Democrats and REPUBLICONS are all actors, their own self-interest and those who bought and paid for their positions are every considered. But at the end of day, it has always been Democrats that have advanced every social legislation in this country, with REPUBLICONS screaming and fighting all the way. The REPUBLICON party is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the TEA PARTY idiocracy.

    Yes, when all else fails, tell them to shut up. Turn off their microphone. Break that damn mirror.

  42. SIE says:

    I remember when this site was about Elgin. Imagine that, a site name “elginite” being about Elgin and not health care, blah blah blah.

    If someone wants to start another site where the city and its issues will be discussed, feel free.

    • Carrie says:

      It started with a post about Octive inviting someone from the Heartland Institute to Elgin for a presentation.

      Vote One felt the need to inform people of his/her opinion warning readers we didn’t need this Koch funded organization in Elgin.

      What happened then was several people spoke addressing the other side of funded organizations.

      Then, James Madison started comparing Elgin officials, that he/she didn’t like or approve of names that frankly were completely uncalled for and clearly not true.

      What I haven’t figured out yet is why Vote One and James Madison felt the need to interject their deep anger at others who disagree with them. On second thought, I can and it speaks volumes reflective of any opinion different then theirs.

      Name calling is part of the motivation they have to trying to bring about the change they believe in. Apparently no room in their thought process for any different way of thinking. Closed minds to others and their right opinions.

      So there you have it.

      • Chuck Keysor says:

        Thank you Carrie for helping to get things back on track.

        The Elgin OCTAVE presentation on Wednesday evening at 7PM/GBPL IS about Elgin, and nothing more. The Elgin OCTAVE is concerned about Elgin’s finances. The presentation will be about Elgin’s finances. There is no conspiracy here, and nothing is being hidden. This is totally local in focus, totally in keeping with the local focus of the Elginite.

        If you were interested in Elgin’s finances, wouldn’t you want to try and find some way to get an outsider (who wasn’t out to get re-elected or to hang onto his $192,000 ++++ year job to come in and give an independent evaluation? It is as simple as that, and nothing more.

        So come to the Gail Borden Public Library on Wednesday evening,10/30/2013 at 7PM, Room C and learn about Elgin’s finances.


        • Vote One says:

          If the forum is “about Elgin” why bring in an outside group with ties to Koch Brothers, Exxon Mobil, ALEC and other corporations to speak? How is a right-wing Chicago political organization an authority on Elgin? And why wasn’t anyone from Elgin invited to speak on Elgin issues or at least provide their side of the story? And if you need an “outsider” why choose a Tea Party funded organization that has no expertise in public finance but is rather anti-government, anti-science, pro-big Tobacco, pro-big Oil, anti- public education in its focus? And if you choose not to bring in an organization that has no expertise in government finance, but rather works to forward an extreme right-wing agenda through its work, why not advertise that fact?

          This forum is not about educating anyone on Elgin’s finances. This is about pushing your right-wing agenda. At least be honest enough to admit that. Or are you hoping no one will notice?

          • RS says:

            I don’t want people to get confused between “Vote One” and “One Vote” so can you please use a different username. How about Elaine or Jennifer?

            Just pick one and stick with it please.

            “Vote One” comments will no longer be published as they can cause confusion. Sorry for the inconvenience.

  43. @Fake_Vote_One says:

    …But I like those lefty-loon organizations.

    I’d much rather talk about the evil Koch brothers who fund PBS than issues that matter affect our lives here in Elgin.

  44. Vote One says:

    Looks like OCTAVE is worried that the Heartland Institute, the supposed “non-biased” think tank that they are bringing to Elgin has been exposed as the Tea Party front group that they are. Why would they try to hide that fact in their advertising of the event? Why aren’t they being honest about their agenda?

  45. Vote One says:

    MM’s plea to RS to ban commentators who she disagrees with is sad. The conservatives want the PC police to come to their rescue when people don’t lap up their weak arguments as fact. If you don’t like reading opinions that you don’t agree with then you should stick to the Fox News website or whatever conservative echo chamber blog you prefer. Disagreement is not hate or anger.

    • Katie says:

      No, disagreement usually is not anger or hatred. What was written is pretty clear.

      In review, this started with your Vote One post not wanting the Heartland Institute in Elgin. Your follower James Madison posted repeatedly with derogatory name calling and insults but was not warned by the monitor and it continued.

      Paul gets a 30 day suspension for calling someone stupid but James Madison’ associating Elgin City Council members as Tea Party KKK is over the top.

      No question what side the monitor of this site sides with.

      • RS says:

        Regarding criticism of city council members, whether they are conservative or liberal they are going to be attacked by people and that’s just part of democracy. We don’t censor what people call Bush or Obama or Schock or Kaptain. When you sign up to be a politician, people who disagree with you or don’t like you will call you all manner of names. It’s not our place here as a forum to pick or choose who we will allow to be criticized or to muzzle the masses generally and force them to talk nice about politicians. This is America not Syria.

        Paul received a suspension for violating the terms of service. There’s a difference between what he did and attacking a politician or a political view.

        The person posting as James Madison or Gustav Mahler (please stick with one username btw) has a right to his views. They are personal opinions. I don’t know why people have to go for the bait. Don’t jump in and engage him in argument. Obviously nobody here is going to change his views and nothing is gained by responding. Let him make his inflammatory statement and forget about it. If it’s not related to Elgin it may be deleted. Adding responses to the thread does not make it any easier to delete.

        I really have no interest in moderating a forum of adult participants. As Chuck has mentioned, in the future we will be using a karma-based system, so you guys will have to moderate yourselves.

      • Chuck Keysor says:

        Paul, again, you fail to grasp the obvious, as does your new friend Katie. Your posts are so consistently incendiary, and clearly aimed to make people’s stomach’s churn and their heads ache, that you are always riding on the edge of banishment. YOU have NO reserve of good will with anyone. So if you say something mean or cruel, which is almost always, it is frankly a mercy that RS doesn’t boot you again.

        Now, Todd, did he go over the top? Well yes….. BUT, he is almost always totally polite, and has a large reserve of good will with normal people. So, if he finally breaks down and screams at you after your continually bullying and harassment, it is not at all the same as your chronically negative and abusive posts. But you don’t see this or you choose to ignore this so that you can rail and lash out once again.


        PS: If Todd is gone, why would anyone be surprised or kick him for going away? Most people don’t like to be insulted and attacked, and will not continue to put up with such treatment forever.

        • paul says:

          LMAO@u, chuck.

          Time for some self examination of yourself, chuck. Your displayed intense hatred of me speaks much more about you than me. As a libertarian one might think you’d be a advocate for free speech! But no, you are the biggest proponent of censorship here. Yeah, if only we had more preaching to the choir and less disagreement there’d be nirvana - for the remaining 3 people left here.

          I give RS credit. Unlike you, apparently he wants a wider range of viewpoints. And thus has resisted (so far) all your efforts to further restrict free speech here. Which kind of begs the question to YOU, chuck - why not have your own blog? A blog where all 3 of your group can hang out and never hear a disagreeable word. Especially given YOU ARE Elgin Octave (did Mason fall off the planet?).

          And I love how you rationalize Todd’s outrageous verbal bomb throwing here because he is a victim of free speech. Hilarious.
          Todd disappeared because he was given the rope of free speech and hung himself with it. Literally, the absolute beauty of free speech. Rational argument destroyed Todd. Rational argument left Todd utterly exposed and defenseless. Thus his ridiculous absurd moronic position of accusing me of racism because I OPPOSE him getting a free automobile fuel fill-up everyday at the expense of the taxpayers. He slunk away with his tail between his legs. He embarrassed himself. And for that I give him credit - at least he has the decency to go away. Most liberals don’t have the capacity for that decency. But then new poster Vote One did show up tossing his unsupported left wing name calling right after Todd disappeared!

          “Most people don’t like to be insulted and attacked”

          But being called a racist doesn’t count!!!

          Most people don’t like guns stuck in their back by local, county, state, and federal agents demanding payment for Todd’s FREE fuel fill-up. It is a defining moment of principal. Hmmm, don’t remember you being opposed to it. chuck! What are your principles, Chuck? You claim you are against taxes yet spend much of your public time trying to raise the burden of taxation onto the taxpayers while lowering the burden on business. Kind of weird - given you don’t have a business!

          It’s been fun, Chuck.

          • RS says:

            Sorry, Paul. I think you need to take a time out for this month. We’ll see you in December. Have a nice Thanksgiving.

  46. paul says:

    “Paul received a suspension for violating the terms of service. There’s a difference between what he did and attacking a politician or a political view.”

    Yeah, calling every single person posting on this board who are concerned with government debt racist bigoted KKK members is a “political view”. Calling that person making such an idiotic statement an idiot that he truly is, violates RS’s terms of service whatever he wants them to be at any given moment.
    Clearly, as RS and Jimmy have proven, civility is in the eye of the beholder. Extermination of opposing view points is civility defined.

    Todd Martin’s last post was proof positive. He clearly irrefutably implied CLEARLY that I was a racist bigot for opposing him getting a free government subsidized automobile fuel fill-up. Apparently, by RS standards, that was just a “political view”!

    • Katie says:

      I’m with you Paul.

    • Margaret Miller says:


      Where is Todd Martin? No peep from him since he was exposed pushing his charging station nonsense without disclosing his involvement with FVAA.

      I’ve been waiting since October 24 for him to be a man and come clean with his involvement in this scheme.

      I won’t hold my breathe waiting for his response.

  47. SIE says:

    Even the self appointed “taxpayer watchdog” has no issue with spending $718,000 for “a technology overhaul”. How much did they recently spend on radios and other communications upgrades? Elgin will be better equipped than the Batcave.

    So if this new technology will mean more things are able to be done online (permits etc.) are they going to trim staff at city hall? Doesn’t mention that.


    • Katie says:

      Help me with my recollection.

      Was it at the Blackhawk Forum or at the League of Women Voter’s forum that Carol Rauschenberger appointed herself as the tax payer’s watch dog?

      She also had no issue handing out money for this, the ESO, the bike paths, MetraWest, fireworks and the Chilean. She would have voted for the charging stations as well if she would have understood what was on the table and what she was voting for.

      Carol is surely looking out after the taxpayer isn’t she?

  48. One Vote says:

    I see where the Kane County Board gave Larkin Center $20K to make that last payroll.
    The SEIU must be relieved.
    What is it with these group reliant on government that they don’t know when the money is gone?
    Maybe they have the same bookkeeper as ESO?
    Note that they didn’t go to Waukeegan and all these other municipalities that have been dumping their troubled youth on Elgin.
    I suppose the state owes them some money. (The state owes everybody.)
    Maybe they could get a bank loan based on receivables? Or sign over the house on Larkin Ave?
    Nope. That sort of move only belongs in the private sector.

  49. One Vote says:

    Siemens/Wynergy announced 79 layoffs in the windmill gear department in Elgin. They claim to have 300 workers in town.
    You don’t suppose Ed Schock will let them stay at his place, do you?

  50. Chuck Keysor says:

    Hmmm, this is sad to see that more people have lost their jobs. All too many folks know what that is like, including me.

    Now I wonder, we have been telling companies that in exchange for help from the City, that we ask them to hire Elginites. Well, I hope we didn’t do that with Siemens/Wynergy….. as now Elginites will be getting laid off….. Chuck