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  1. Katie says:

    Does anyone know where the normal June weather is hiding?

    • paul says:

      Appreciate it while you can.

      In another month we will wish for a cool breeze.

      No mosquito’s yet!!!!

      The plants are lush and green. Everything seems to be blooming.

      Even the dumpiest parts of Elgin look almost nice.

  2. James Thiel says:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/040668_drones_border_security_patrols.html

    Report shows drones don’t contribute to border security - so why are they proliferating in our country?
    Friday, June 07, 2013 by: J. D. Heyes

    (NaturalNews) A new report says drones used by the U.S. Border Patrol and other border-related agencies are a waste of money because they serve no useful purpose - other than to boost the bottom line of defense contractors.

    The report, by the Center for International Policy, finds that not only are drones less than useful, they are a sop to the “military-industrial complex” at a cost of constitutional protections, namely privacy.

    From the report:

    Drones are proliferating at home and abroad. A new high-tech realm is emerging, where remotely controlled and autonomous unmanned systems do our bidding. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) - commonly known as drones - are already working for us in many ways.

    This new CIP International Policy Report reveals how the military-industrial complex and the emergence of the homeland security apparatus have put border drones at the forefront of the intensifying public debate about the proper role of drones domestically.

    More drones in the works?
    Called, Drones Over the Homeland, the report notes that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency - which falls under the gargantuan Department of Homeland Security - is set to gain even more drones under a $443.1 million contract the agency issued in 2012.

    Right now CBP operates seven Predators and three Guardians; the fleet is set to expand by another 14 drones over the next three years, The Huffington Post reported.

    The report comes as Congress debates the future of drone usage and expansion in the United States, especially for the border agency, as part of broader immigration reform legislation.

    In addition to calling for an end to what the CIP deems a wasteful giveaway to defense contractors, the report notes that drone proliferation is a substantial threat to civil liberties, namely privacy. Tom Barry, the report’s lead author, said researchers found “an inefficient, costly and absurd approach to border security and homeland security through the purchasing of Predator drones that were designed for military activity.”

    Though CBP has spent hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to acquire drones for domestic use, by the agency’s own calculations the surveillance platforms have only played a supporting role in just 0.003 percent of drug busts and 0.001 percent of border crossings by illegal aliens.

    Given that pathetically low percentage, said Barry, Customs and Border Protection officials have now shifted to a new drone fleet justification: law enforcement and national security. CBP is now pledging to work with the Defense Department and local law enforcement agencies - which should actually be a cause for concern, says Barry.

    “I think we should be afraid, in terms of this breaking down of the distinction between domestic law enforcement and national security and foreign affairs,” Barry said, as quoted by HuffPo. “That line has been crisscrossed many times with DHS.”

    Customs and Border Protection did not respond to a request for comment, the website reported.

    FAA needs to consider potential private and government abuse
    In a separate development, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that advocates for more privacy in the digital age, submitted testimony to the Federal Aviation Administration, calling on the federal agency to ensure stricter privacy requirements for domestic drone use - those operated both privately and by government. The FAA has said it will select a half-dozen sites around the country to test domestic drones by the end of the year; the EFF says it wants to be crystal clear about the surveillance capabilities possessed by drones.

    A staff attorney and frequent spokeswoman at EFF, Jennifer Lynch, says the federal aviation agency ought to impose privacy protections on both private and government operators of unmanned aerial vehicles.

    “When it comes to drones, the FAA needs to examine privacy issues with the same rigor it applies to flight and mechanical safety,” she said in a statement. “Just as vague safety regulations for drones could result in damage to life or property, vague privacy measures could harm civil liberties.”

    Earlier reports have said that, once the FAA settles on rules for domestic drone use, their numbers will grow by the tens of thousands.

  3. James Thiel says:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/040668_drones_border_security_patrols.html
    Report shows drones don’t contribute to border security - so why are they proliferating in our country?
    Friday, June 07, 2013 by: J. D. Heyes

    (NaturalNews) A new report says drones used by the U.S. Border Patrol and other border-related agencies are a waste of money because they serve no useful purpose - other than to boost the bottom line of defense contractors.

    The report, by the Center for International Policy, finds that not only are drones less than useful, they are a sop to the “military-industrial complex” at a cost of constitutional protections, namely privacy.

    From the report:

    Drones are proliferating at home and abroad. A new high-tech realm is emerging, where remotely controlled and autonomous unmanned systems do our bidding. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) - commonly known as drones - are already working for us in many ways.

    This new CIP International Policy Report reveals how the military-industrial complex and the emergence of the homeland security apparatus have put border drones at the forefront of the intensifying public debate about the proper role of drones domestically.

    More drones in the works?
    Called, Drones Over the Homeland, the report notes that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency - which falls under the gargantuan Department of Homeland Security - is set to gain even more drones under a $443.1 million contract the agency issued in 2012.

    Right now CBP operates seven Predators and three Guardians; the fleet is set to expand by another 14 drones over the next three years, The Huffington Post reported.

    The report comes as Congress debates the future of drone usage and expansion in the United States, especially for the border agency, as part of broader immigration reform legislation.

    In addition to calling for an end to what the CIP deems a wasteful giveaway to defense contractors, the report notes that drone proliferation is a substantial threat to civil liberties, namely privacy. Tom Barry, the report’s lead author, said researchers found “an inefficient, costly and absurd approach to border security and homeland security through the purchasing of Predator drones that were designed for military activity.”

    Though CBP has spent hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to acquire drones for domestic use, by the agency’s own calculations the surveillance platforms have only played a supporting role in just 0.003 percent of drug busts and 0.001 percent of border crossings by illegal aliens.

    Given that pathetically low percentage, said Barry, Customs and Border Protection officials have now shifted to a new drone fleet justification: law enforcement and national security. CBP is now pledging to work with the Defense Department and local law enforcement agencies - which should actually be a cause for concern, says Barry.

    “I think we should be afraid, in terms of this breaking down of the distinction between domestic law enforcement and national security and foreign affairs,” Barry said, as quoted by HuffPo. “That line has been crisscrossed many times with DHS.”

    Customs and Border Protection did not respond to a request for comment, the website reported.

    FAA needs to consider potential private and government abuse
    In a separate development, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that advocates for more privacy in the digital age, submitted testimony to the Federal Aviation Administration, calling on the federal agency to ensure stricter privacy requirements for domestic drone use - those operated both privately and by government. The FAA has said it will select a half-dozen sites around the country to test domestic drones by the end of the year; the EFF says it wants to be crystal clear about the surveillance capabilities possessed by drones.

    A staff attorney and frequent spokeswoman at EFF, Jennifer Lynch, says the federal aviation agency ought to impose privacy protections on both private and government operators of unmanned aerial vehicles.

    “When it comes to drones, the FAA needs to examine privacy issues with the same rigor it applies to flight and mechanical safety,” she said in a statement. “Just as vague safety regulations for drones could result in damage to life or property, vague privacy measures could harm civil liberties.”

    Earlier reports have said that, once the FAA settles on rules for domestic drone use, their numbers will grow by the tens of thousands.

  4. Peter Galbreathe says:

    PRICELESS VIDEO!

    ‘Uhhh…Uh…Uhhh….People!’ Obama at Total Loss for Words When Staff Forgets His Speech

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/07/%E2%80%9Cuhhh%E2%80%A6uh%E2%80%A6uhhh%E2%80%A6people%E2%80%9D-obama-total-loss-words-when-staff-forgets-his-speech

  5. James Thiel says:

    In this weeks update from Judicial Watch, the following via USA Today:

    A New Scandal at the IRS

    It seems evident that the behemoth Obama administration is setting some new records for wasting taxpayer dollars on ridiculous programs. (Remember the racist “cultural diversity” workshops that required federal employees to chant that our Founding Fathers were illegal aliens?)

    And it is particularly offensive when the agency responsible for draining every last cent out of American taxpayers is the very same agency engaging in shameful waste.

    Fresh off a “scandal for the ages,” where the Obama IRS abused Tea Party and conservative organizations seeking tax exempt status and subjected conservative donors to retaliatory audits, new details emerged this week about more embarrassing and corrupt activities inside the agency. USA Today had the story:

    A division of the Internal Revenue Service spent $4.1 million on a conference in 2010 in Anaheim, Calif., that included “questionable expenses” for keynote speakers, video production and gifts for IRS employees, according to an audit released Tuesday by the Treasury inspector general for tax administration.

    The audit found that the IRS held 225 conferences from fiscal years 2010 to 2012 at a cost of $49 million. The Anaheim conference, attended by 2,600 IRS employees, was the driving focus of the audit because it was the most costly during the three-year period of review. The IRS says it has changed spending practices to prevent a recurrence of these incidents.

    Now, as is often the case, the devil is in the details here. So let’s take a look at what happened to these public funds. (You can access the TIGTA report here.)

    How about $50,187 dollars to craft a Star Trek parody on video? Seem like a wise use of funds to you? How about another video of IRS division managers dancing on stage? Or $44,500 for two speakers, one of whom was paid to create paintings on stage of Michael Jordan and Albert Einstein, among other cultural icons.

    Can someone please explain how watching someone paint a picture of a former NBA basketball player contributes to the efficient and proper functioning of a federal agency!

    Also among the charges on this trip was a tab of $64,000 to buy gifts (such as plastic squirting fish toys) for IRS employees, two of whom are now no longer with the agency.

    Per Fox News:

    The IRS placed two employees on administrative leave for accepting hundreds of dollars’ worth of food and gifts at a party in 2010, on the heels of a scathing watchdog report that said the agency blew more than $4 million on the conference where that party was held.

    Evidently, the IRS believes it can avoid accountability for its corrupt activities with tepid promises to “do better” and by releasing two low-level employees from their roster. By the way, the Washington Examiner picked up on the fact that this conference was supposed to help “train” new IRS employees hired to implement Obamacare! So this IRS spending scandal is, in reality, an Obamacare scandal!

    As you might imagine, there is little sympathy for the IRS in Congress or around the country.

    The New York Times reported Thursday morning that the majority of Americans believe the IRS campaign to attack conservative groups was wrong. But check out how the Times reported this data: “Three-fifths of the public think the I.R.S. actions were wrong, but they are evenly divided over whether the targeted inquiries rose to the level of illegality or were just unethical.” Don’t you love the phrase “just unethical?”

    The Times also points out that there is an even division as to whether the IRS in Cincinnati acted alone or if the Obama administration was involved. And this week we learned some new details on this question courtesy of The Wall Street Journal via Fox News:

    Two IRS employees have provided more details to congressional investigators about how targeting of Tea Party groups in 2010 came from agency officials in Washington, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.

    Transcripts of interviews with the two employees seem to contradict previous claims by top IRS officials blaming lower-level workers in Cincinnati, The Wall Street Journal reported. While the transcripts don’t suggest Obama administration officials knew of or were involved in the flagging of the groups, questions regarding who ordered the targeting still linger.

    Whether President Obama is explicitly or directly to blame for this scandal is still an open question. But as has been pointed out by many, his persistent attempts to defame and undermine the Tea Party movement set the tone for the inappropriate targeting of conservatives on a number of different levels. As President, he is responsible.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/weekly-update-obama-catch-me-if-you-can/

  6. Judy says:

    http://www.championnews.net/?s=common+core

    Pre-School + Common Core = Indoctrination
    http://www.championnews.net/blog/2013/02/25/pre-school-common-core-indoctrination/

    Which will it be? Government control of education or school choice and parental empowerment
    http://www.championnews.net/blog/2012/09/08/which-will-it-be-government-control-of-education-or-school-choice-and-parental-empowerment/

    The Score With Common Core (video)
    http://www.championnews.net/blog/2013/05/06/the-score-with-common-core/

    Stop Common Core Illinois
    http://stopcommoncoreillinois.org/

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55738
    Common Core: Nation’s educational institutions are the central battleground for the nation’s soul
    Grooming the New Totalitarians
    By Arnold Ahlert (Bio and Archives) Friday, June 7, 2013

  7. Peter Galbreathe says:

    A New Global Partnership: Eradicate Poverty and Transform Economies through Sustainable Development

    UN’s “Post-2015 Development Agenda” Morphed from “Agenda 21”

    Author By Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh
    Wednesday, June 5, 2013

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55695

  8. One Vote says:

    There is a local angle to the spying Margaret wrote about above.
    The EPD love triangle is in court over hacked e-mail accounts and violated privacy.
    It seems you can sue your ex for reading your e-mails while the Feds have open access to everything we write.
    You would not believe the computer power the NSA has. And they are building more centers all the time.
    Phone traffic, e-mails, credit card transactions…
    It’s right out of Eagle Eye.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Yes, you are correct One Vote and on my tax dollars.

      I knew this was happening and the USA, who claims to promote freedom around the world is the one doing it to its own citizens. Some freedom.

      This, in its entirety, violates my civil liberties. Talk about the centralization of global tyranny

  9. Peter Galbreathe says:

    It ought to be interesting when Iran closes The Straight of Hurmuz.

    China Firm Gets Concession for Massive Nicaragua Canal
    Friday, 07 Jun 2013 11:07 AM - By Jim Meyers

    Nicaragua has reportedly awarded a Chinese company a 100-year concession to build a canal linking the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans across the Central American nation, with a capacity that dwarfs that of the Panama Canal.

    The Nicaraguan government of Daniel Ortega said the canal should be able to allow passage to mega-container ships that are more than double the size of the vessels that will be able to pass through the Panama Canal after its ongoing $5.2 billion expansion, according to The Guardian.

    The name of the Chinese company was not released.

    But the Guardian observed that the proposed 178-mile canal would have “profound geopolitical ramifications” and “reinforce Beijing’s growing influence on global trade and weaken U.S. dominance over the key shipping route between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans.”

    http://www.newsmaxworld.com/newswidget/china-nicaragua-canal-concessions/2013/06/07/id/508664?promo_code=10E2C-1&utm_source=10E2Canadafreepress&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

  10. Peter Galbreathe says:

    Video at the link.

    House Bill Slashes Funding for TSA Officers’ Uniforms by $18 Million
    June 7, 2013 - 4:14 PM - By Craig Bannister

    “My concern and the complaint I hear most from my constituents is that despite their appearance, TSA officers do not have any federal law enforcement training to reflect their current title and appearance,” Blackburn said.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/house-bill-slashes-funding-tsa-officers-uniforms-18-million

  11. RS says:

    OK monthly open thread is going to get crowded really fast if we all keep posting links to national news stories.

    • Anonymous says:

      I agree R.S. Keep the post to the local community. If you want to post national news go to a national board and post all you want. There is enough to debate in our local area. Most of he post on the June thread is of no use in resolving Elgin problems.

    • One Vote says:

      Well, Tip O’Neill said, “All politics is local.”
      But I’ve come to learn he really meant a union local.
      I appreciate brief statements linking Elgin to national problems and programs, but some of the June posts are obviously pasted from elsewhere.
      How hard is it to put up a separate board for posting such information?

      • paul says:

        All politics IS local. And that ain’t referring to union locals.

        And speaking of local, how is our local tax and spend trickle up poverty politics working out?
        Well, let’s see - If I go to E. Dundee Bandito Barney’s for my dinner and a couple of beers to avoid EPH and the Elgin alcohol tax, how much net total revenue has the EPH and city of Elgin lost?
        If I buy my groceries and beer at Butera and Jewel in S. Elgin or Woodsman in Carptown how much revenue has city of Elgin and Elgin retailers lost out on?
        But then, who besides me actually budgets their money in accord with their own self-interest?

    • Gibster says:

      Here Here. If I want to read of NSA, I can find plenty elsewhere. This site should be for local news, opinions and interests that tie to Elgin.

  12. RS says:

    Should OCTAVE do something like this for Elgin municipal employees?

    http://salaries.latimes.com/dwp/?year=2012&sort=-total_pay#results

    Pretty interesting. More than 10% of the workforce of the Los Angeles De­part­ment of Wa­ter and Power makes about $150K or more.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-city-unions-20130502,0,735961,full.story

    The 2-year-old payroll snapshot showed General Manager Ron Nichols made $347,000. His five executive assistants averaged $198,000. Mechanics who install and repair power lines averaged $153,000. Service representatives who answer customer calls averaged $68,000.

    • One Vote says:

      YES!
      I very much enjoyed studying the City payroll numbers last time.

    • Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

      I like talking primarily about local issues on this web site. If people like James keep posting mile long national issues we will be scrolling through his and other stuff forever.

      He has freedom to write. My day does not have time to read his long posts on national issues. I am just giving my opinion as to what I would like to use this website for.

  13. Chuck Keysor says:

    RS:

    Of course your traffic here would like you to retain your local focus. While we are out of an obvious election cycle, I do think it would be helpful to stimulate local discussion if you could routinely include links to current Elgin news. This should happen within each month’s open thread, as opposed to opening new threads for each new topic.

    For example if you had a brief synopsis of the W. Chicago Street train station study/public meeting and a link to the Daily Herald story, you would no doubt trigger a good round of discussion. As that runs it course, or as new local issues arise, paste in a summary and link to re-energize discussion, and serve to keep this as an active forum where individuals can get a glimpse of how some Elginites view local issues.

    Thanks, Chuck

  14. What were they thinking? says:

    I heard a rumor that the “rain tax” is dead and instead there is to be a $.05 increase per gallon on our water bills. Can we ever stop the growth of government? When will the government have enough of our money? Why do the government salaries have to be so much higher than the private sector (not even including pensions, extra holidays, excessive sick time, etc.)

    • Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

      If that is true did we already pay thousands of dollars for a study of the rain tax?

  15. paul says:

    ““rain tax” is dead”

    What did I say? They never had to have a rain tax (a rare blunder by Stegal) to fund what they wanted to fund - just raise the water rates!

    The only way to avoid it is move out of Elgin and Illinois. AT least I can avoid the 3% Elgin alcohol tax by going to St. Charles on Saturday and Bandito Barney’s on Sunday; and buying all packaged alcohol at Butera and Jewel in S.ELgin or Wooodmans in Carptown.

    Any been to St. Charles lately? Town is bursting with restaurants and bars and they are all doing booming business.

    “Why do the government salaries have to be so much higher than the private sector (not even including pensions, extra holidays, excessive sick time, etc.)”

    Because that is not open for discussion - according to Cruex.

  16. Cruex says:

    Rain tax dead? That is impossible because there are more than enough votes to pass it. To have it declared dead or defeated would be a victory for Elgin Octave and Kapatin and his fellow greenies will not let that happen. There is no way to gracefully exit from this for the greenies so why not pass it and hope Octave blows away in 2015?

  17. Margaret Miller says:

    The Bad, the Worse and the Unmitigated Gaul!

    The Bad: Rumor has it that an under the radar invitation to 16 dignitaries from our Chilean sister city was extended by a current Elgin City Council member. The approximate cost of this weeklong visit was estimated upwards of $10,000 taxpayer dollars which does not include staff time for 2 people who would have to drop what they’re doing, one of which makes $90,000 a year to accommodate the Chilean’s.

    The Worse: Rumor to truth is that many current City Council members were not made aware of the invitation nor the cost to the taxpayers until after the plans were made and in place.

    The Unmitigated Gaul: Rumor to truth that this same City Council member/s purposed that the Mayor of our Chilean sister city be honored by being the Grand Marshal in our Elgin 4th of July Parade. What an insulting and appalling slap in the face to the American citizens, past and present, which fought for American independence.

    Now that this dirty little secret has gotten out, it is my understanding that the entire trip has been canceled. What was the purpose of this visit and how would it have benefited Elgin and its citizens? I have no idea.

    Well, the cat out of the bag and the silence from this City Council member is deafening. As a reminder to the current City Council, Elgin citizens require transparency. You have been placed in your position/s to look out after the needs and best interests of the city and its citizens, not to act in a manor unbecoming an elected official so I strongly suggest you straighten up and fly right!

    I do not offer my consent or tax dollars to be pledged for any under the radar trips, visits, plans, incentives or schemes set up by one or a few council members without an ample timeline for proper discussion and consent by our current council members. No secretive fast tracking will be tolerated. After all, we’re the ones footing the bill.

    Also, please remember that Elgin should never take the second place position as a corporate sponsor to anyone or anything. Not even the Hoffman Estates fireworks $25-$32,000 display contribution which includes cash and city service labor. The City of Elgin has not even voted on this expense but the funds and personnel have already been pledged.

    • paul says:

      An internet rumor!!! What credence should I give that?

      1. You must have the heard it from somewhere. But where is a secret???

      2. Doubt a councilman can unilaterally obligate the city to an expense of $10,000.

      3. The internet rumored trip is rumored to be canceled, so never mind!

      Speaking of councilman, trips and Chile; Supposedly Dunne’s vacation to Chile wasn’t funded with taxpayer dollars. But funding was provided via local groups which receive funding from the city of Elgin!!!

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Since a few were curious about whether my earlier post regarding the Hoffman Estates fireworks contribution (between $25-$35,000 tax dollars and city service labor) and the Chilean visit (approximately $10,000 tax dollars) was an Internet rumor, please draw your attention to the below.

      PROOF of the fireworks: Please note that this amount has now more than doubled in dollars and labor expenses. If you want further proof, go to the next meeting, watch it on line or through cable.
      http://www.cityofelgin.org/index.aspx?NID=141
      Consideration of Approval of 2013 Sponsorship for “Northwest Fourth Fest” 4th of July Fireworks ($15,000) (please reference Item O-8)
      Objective: Enter into an intergovernmental partnership to provide 4th of July fireworks display for Elgin residents.

      When did Elgin become a corporate sponsor?

      PROOF of the Chilean visit, I have copied the following from Rich Jacobs Facebook page - dated 06-17-13
      “The City of Elgin will be hosting an official delegation from our sister city in Chile who will also be coming to our party. Thanks to Robert D. Bedard and Richard Dunne! — with Firefighters To Chile.”

      PROOF of the Chilean visit: I have seen the amended legal agenda for the Committee of the Whole from last week, item “L” put out on Monday 06-10-13

      Both of these issues have NOT even been discussed or voted on. Ask yourself who made the pledges without City Council approval and demand a stop to this behavior.

      Did anyone contact a City Council member today and ask “I just heard something about these two issues and what is going on here?” Did you ask how can any current council person act alone and cut an under the radar deal and pledge tax payer dollars and city labor without discussion or voting?

  18. Chuck Keysor says:

    Now, I had no intention of going into this strange affair on the Elginite. But what Margaret is reporting on is not an empty Internet rumor. It is all as Margaret reported.

    I am as baffled as anyone as to what could have brought this strange trip so close to happening, and then to have its architect get cold feet at the last minute and calling it off is also just as strange. But I am thankful that the planned junket by the Chileans to Elgin has been called off. Chuck

  19. RS says:

    Cauquenes, Chile is apparently a small city of 41,000 people.

    Elgin’s original sister city, Vientiane, the capital of Laos, now has a population of nearly a million people. I think in terms of potential economic benefits to Elgin, it could be more worthwhile for interested parties to pursue relations with the Laotian city, which is experiencing rapid growth.

  20. harmony says:

    Well someone knows something about this Chilean trip. So who was the architect? Was Dunne the council person? So who are the players Margaret, Chuck? And really why do we have a sister city?

  21. Cruex says:

    I’m having a hard time believing these rumors and really don’t think they should be circulated without proof. What say you RS?

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Cruex, if you require proof, I require real names……….. Chuck

      • Anonymous says:

        “if you require proof, I require real names”

        Good one, Chuck. Make your credibility dependent on other’s posting under Chuck approved names.

        Me, I’ll just go with the facts - A councilman cannot unilaterally obligate the city to a $10,000 expense.

        The beauty of your rumor of a dead rumor is we will never know; because the rumor is already dead!

    • elginkevin says:

      “As I previously mentioned (here are more details) The City of Elgin will be hosting an official delegation from our sister city, Cauquenes in Chile, who will also be coming to our Blue Tulip party. Thanks to Robert D. Bedard and Richard Dunne! and the Elgin Firefighters To Chile.

      Cauquenes, Chile was devastated by an earthquake in 2010. Elgin Firefighters took immediate action and mounted a relief effort. Since that time, many members and organizations in the community have worked together to make this a sister city.

      Most recently, Councilman Richard Dunne, and his wife Judy, personally flew to Chile (they paid their own way) to represent Elgin at Cauquenes 271 st Anniversary celebration.

      The Dunne’s were overwhelmed with the generosity of its citizens, especially considering the devastation the area is still experiencing. Possibly theirr Mayor, council members and interpreters might all be in attendance, so let’s make them feel welcome. (A special shout out and thank you to the LWVE for the info mentioned about the delegation’s visit!)”

      –From Rich Jacobs on Facebook

      • RS says:

        the details for those who are interested:

        http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130627/news/706279873/

        Prigge said council members received a memo last week with a request to set aside about $3,800 to cover lodging and a few meals for the delegation.

        However, the nonprofit organization Sister Cities Elgin & Cauquenes is still trying to find sponsors to cover the cost of the visit, City Manager Sean Stegall said. The Chilean delegation will pay for its own airfare.

        The matter is just about “extending a courtesy” when “representatives from another city come to visit and believe they are wanted,” Stegall said.

        Councilman Rich Dunne went to Chile in early May on behalf of Mayor David Kaptain, who had been invited to attend a local celebration by the mayor of Cauquenes. Sister Cities paid for Dunne’s airfare and visa costs. Dunne paid for his wife to join him in the trip.

        “When we got down there, the host city would not allow us to pay for a bottle of water. The graciousness they offered us was phenomenal,” Dunne said.

        I think it can be argued that these expenses should be paid by the organization of businesses or whatever that think they can benefit from the relationship. Otherwise we are truly just setting things up for reciprocal junkets. It turns out that Dunne didn’t pay his own way. He paid for his wife, which is the typical way these things go. Next time, the whole city council is going to fly down there, and so on and so forth. Should taxpayer-funded trips to Chile where you don’t even have to “pay for a bottle of water” be a new side benefit of being a councilman?

        There are potential economic benefits from a sister cities relationship, but I think a lot of us are not yet convinced that junkets translate into business.

        Well hopefully something good will come out of it.

        I do think the council was placed in a position where they had no choice but to approve the expense. In the future hopefully the people responsible will secure funding before they take the liberty of inviting foreign delegations with the promise of paying their expenses.

        I hope everybody will extend a gracious welcome to the visitors, as the way this went down is not their fault. They were invited here so they need to be treated as guests.

        You guys were joking about the protests right?

  22. Cruex says:

    I suppose I will just have to wait for the facts if they come out. I know of only one councilman who has been to Chile but how does anyone know it was that councilman who made the invitation Margaret Miller is speaking of?
    There are many on this council I do not trust but I would like proof.

    • Chuck Keysor says:

      Cruex, if you can, look at Rich Jacob’s Facebook page. But maybe you don’t trust Rich Jacobs, even though he is Sen. Noland’s assistant. Chuck

  23. harmony says:

    Well since no one wants to mention names on this Chilean information. Don’t waste my time with it. Rumors just don’t cut it. It is like being in elementary school where someone starts a rumor and the whole class starts pointing fingers. So did any one go to the Rib Fest, unfortunately I couldn’t make it. Why didn’t it start earlier Sat ? Like it did on Walton’s island?

    • elginkevin says:

      I was there on Saturday, we got there about 8:30pm for 7th Heaven. Unfortunately I hadn’t planned on it and already ate dinner, so I didn’t get to sample the (very few) ribs on offer.

  24. Todd Martin says:

    Elgin’s representative in the Illinois State Senate, Mike Noland, has made the news today in the Chicago Tribune. Please consider reaching out to him and letting him know YOUR thoughts on pension reform.

    “In the far western suburbs, there’s fellow Democratic Sen. Mike Noland of Elgin. He voted for one major pension bill, but against the Madigan bill, which was the best chance to get pension reform to Gov. Pat Quinn’s desk. Noland also voted against saving money on Medicaid. He voted to preserve free health care premiums for retired state workers. That benefit alone costs taxpayers $800 million a year.

    Because Kotowski and Noland and other lawmakers have refused to make tough decisions to fix the state’s nearly $100 billion unfunded pension liability, state services have suffered.

    Illinois has squeezed efforts to protect abused and neglected children, efforts to help put unemployed people to work. These aren’t hypotheticals. These are real programs for real Illinois citizens that have been reduced, stalled or eliminated.

    Lutheran Social Services of Illinois, one of the state’s largest charitable organizations, had to borrow money while it waited to get paid by the state for its work — foster care, adoption help, assistance for the disabled. The agency paid $951,000 in interest during the last 10 months. That money could have gone toward helping people. Instead, it’s the sorry price of doing business with the state of Illinois.

    By not voting for meaningful pension reform, lawmakers such as Kotowski and Noland allow the embarrassing status quo to thrive.”

  25. Cruex says:

    Without official documentation showing Dunne as the architect I prefer to wait in making a judgment. I would like the same type of proof that shows that Anna Moeller instigated the TLC lawsuit against the city which is undeniable.

  26. I am the “Architect” of the Sister City trip. Thank you Cruex. No city money has been spent on Sister Cities Chile EVER. The benefit to our community?
    A. Governor Quinn directly challenged the municipal leaders of our state to create sister cities with China and South America. Considering the money our city takes from the state it’s nice to show we took this objective seriously.
    B. Cauquenes has 65,000 people if you count the rural residents living around the urban limits and is the capital of the Maule Region. My probable current corporate sponsor is hoping to break into that market as Governor Quinn expected.
    C. Our city is wooing Germany for industry, Greece for another Sister City, and we are about to be declared an International City of Peace. My efforts with Chile fits the Mayor’s vision of Elgin as an international city.
    D. Sending a strong positive message to our Latino citizens should be embraced.

    As for the parade flap… Mayor Kaptain was always going to be the Marshall of the parade. The Alacalde (mayor) would have walked next to him as a show of sister city unity. Those AFLA members that remember my son’s fight with Larkin High School should have trusted me to make sure all respect and decorum was observed. My family has 4 bricks at the Memorial site. My kids are all in the military. I get it. The delegation is smaller in numbers because it is very difficult and time consuming to get a visa to this country and the ticket prices just shot up as the final month approached. Now with only 4-6 people coming not including the Alcalde, we will probably put this delegation behind our city council.

    Again NO city money has been spent and the process of securing partners and sponsors has allowed our city to enjoy a growing functional relationship with Chile. Running with half truths does nothing but harm those intent on helping. None of this has been done surreptitiously. None of you choose to communicate with some if the biggest leaders in this community: Sherman Hospital, GBPL, LWV, city hall. They all knew of this. I’ve had a Sister Cities FB page up for a year. Any of you can contact me with your questions.

    2 and possibly 3 of the delegates specialize in urban rescue. They have trained search dogs and now thanks to us they have a thermal imaging camera, low profile air packs, ropes, harnesses and more. They will have the premier rescue/search team in their country made from our scraps and will be called out all over their country to help. They will save lives. This is a good thing. Why kill it?

    • One Vote says:

      Did I vote for Bedard? Well, maybe as a union rep back in the day.
      But I did vote for his pal Dunne, once.
      Glad to know our city is in such capable hands and that you know all about it.
      So, it isn’t really a City of Elgin sister. It’s like an ad hoc sister city with a two man committee and all the libs riding on their shirttails. That’s government for you.
      Viva Alcalde Bedard!
      By the way, Bob, What’s a Latino citizen? Are they different than American citizens? Do they require special handling?

    • paul says:

      “Running with half truths does nothing but harm ”

      Ironic given “half truths” seems to be your modus operandi, Bob.

      You might want to take a peak at today’s Daily Herald, Bob. It contradicts much of what you say here, or at minimum gives it a half truth patina.

      Maybe the DH quoted you out of context when you say you “hopes” the Elgin taxpayer picks up the tab if “needed”.

      ” thanks to us they have a thermal imaging camera, low profile air packs, ropes, harnesses and more. ”

      Did they buy it from us? No! Did the Elgin taxpayer bought assets have value? Yes! If true, your multiple claim of “NO city money has been spent” doesn’t even rise to half truth status. It would be a FLAT OUT LIE.

      “Why kill it?”
      Not sure how anyone here has tried to “kill it”. Some people are just trying to keep you from recklessly pissing away taxpayer money for absolutely no benefit to them.

      >>Councilman Rich Dunne pointed out….
      “(Cauquenes has) huge opportunities in agricultural exports — nuts, wine, olives,” he said. “We’re a market for them.”<<

      Apparently those exports are currently banned from the City Of Elgin because we are currently designated an “International City of” War!

      Here’s an excellent idea, bob. Have the Chilean delegation pack their luggage with wine, nuts, and olives and sell it at the Elgin’s farmer market. It will be too expensive for me as is most items there are but they now accept government supplied taxpayer funded FREE food stamps.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Dear Mr. Bedard:
       
      Thank you for your effort in your most recent post, nice try on the damage control. I am surprised that this is the best that Rich Dunne’s former campaign manager turned PR spokesperson can come up with. Where is Rich Dunne? Does anyone know where he’s hiding?  Mr. Bedard, on who’s behalf do you speak? 

      Please don’t think that your contradictions between your post on Elginite, the Daily Herald and Courier News articles on line went unnoticed. (Links at the bottom of this post.) Have you made the proper inquiries to get the final story straight so you can make a public clarification of what your story is at present?
       
      When the word got out that city funds & personnel were solicited by Mr. Dunne, a request by another council member was made to discuss the issue during open meeting. This lead to an amended legal agenda for the Committee of the Whole, item “L” issued on Monday 06-10-13. Immediately after this fact is when the back peddling started and a deafening silence came from Mr. Dunne direction.
        
      Mr. Bedard, I was at Veterans Memorial Park on Memorial Day. There are people whom you spoke with directly regarding this Chilean visit. You stated there would no cost to the city. Are you honestly asking me to believe that no one approached any one person representing the City of Elgin requesting funds & personnel? Remember your quote from the Herald yesterday? (”Still, Bedard said he hopes the city would “come through” if some financial contribution is needed. Expenses of up to $20,000 don’t require city council approval.”) 

      So, any expenditure under $20,000 does not need council approved? Hmmm, I thought this was an emergency fund. It now appears to be a slurpy fund available at any council member’s discretion with what they consider is a good idea. Of course leaving out any consultation of full council and tax payers.

      Okay, so no discretion, no discussions, no votes, and no full council knowledge just pledges & promises made under the radar. Why was that? Who’s idea was it to bring back the 16 dignitaries in the first place?
       
      This reminds me of another issue handled in the same manner, oh yeah, the Hoffman Estates fireworks contribution of approximately $35,000, which money and personnel have been pledged without discussion or council approval.
       
      Light is the greatest disinfectant isn’t it Mr. Dunne & Mr. Bedard?
       
      Mr. Dunne I hope you take the initiative to clear this matter up under his own volition. After all you are one of the elected officials who started this.
       
      Readers, turn you attention to the following.
      http://couriernews.suntimes.com/20816647-417/city-of-elgins-fourth-of-july-plans-bring-some-figurative-fireworks.html
       
      http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130618/news/706189735/

      • paul says:

        >>Kaptain:…With partners including Sherman Hospital, Gail Borden Public Library and Waste Management on board, “other people in the community think that working with Cauquenes to build a bridge to Chile is a good fit, too.”<<

        Evidently we’ll import Chileans requiring hospitalization and export our used books and garbage!!!!

  27. Todd Martin says:

    Sister city programs work toward peace, cultural understanding, and commerce. Elgin benefits from people that reach out and engage other communities.

    From Wiki: “Today Chile is one of South America’s most stable and prosperous nations, a recognized middle power and an emerging economy. It leads Latin American nations in human development, competitiveness, income per capita, globalization, state of peace, economic freedom, and low perception of corruption. It also ranks high regionally in sustainability of the state, and democratic development.”

    I’m no expert on culture, but it does make sense that getting a chance to meet and talk in person to people from a different background gives you an opportunity to learn something new. Even if you think you already know the answers.

    I do have work experience in exporting tooling globally. Small manufacturers need to export to grow and the old idea of “3rd world countries” being too poor misses the boat. BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India & China) are huge markets that are rapidly developing, which means they have much larger demands for products in many cases than the U.S. Smaller Latin American companies are also modernizing and are valuable trading partners. My company has been expanding its sales in South and Central America, even though there is a learning curve. It takes time and money to find these opportunities. Often, we find that smaller countries are neglected by our competition and so there is a better chance to provide them products and services. Tomorrow, for example, I’m helping host a delegation from Venezuala (give a plant tour, provide training & support, etc).

    My point is that our business community needs contacts, friends, and information to succeed in expanding globally. A Sister City program can help them, which is why Mr. Bedard is able to round up commercial sponsors. And if the City of Elgin ends up paying a dollar or two in being polite and offering coffee when they arrive I won’t complain. Yes, I’ve heard about cases of taxpayers getting screwed from lavish travel junkets that are more a fancy “free” vacation than legitimate business. In this case, I’m happy to see Elgin has done it the right way.

  28. Cruex says:

    This is nothing more than fire department arrogance with confirmed Liberals (Dunne, Bedard, League of Women Voters, the Blue Tulip Gang of Phonies) trying to play pretend White House hosts with tax money.

    • Todd Martin says:

      “Arrogant”, “confirmed Liberals”, “Phonies”, “Pretend”.

      Wow. Mr. Bedard goes on a humanitarian mission on his own vacation time (What did YOU do on your vacation?) and helps some people. Now you’re concerned the City of Elgin MIGHT pay for a dinner with visiting dignitaries?

      This is NOT about taxpayer money. If “Cruex” was worried about the budget, then “Cruex” would be looking at REAL budget line items, like engineering change notices on city construction projects or union contract agreements.

      Instead, this is about “foreigners” being bad for Elgin. Perhaps Cruex would like us to remove the exit ramps from I-90 and picket O’Hare airport to stop international travel?

      Elgin is not Mayberry. The Republican party I grew up with (Reagon) was pro-business (including international business). This isn’t a “Liberal” or “Conservative” item. It’s Xenophobia versus Engagement issue.

      • paul says:

        “It’s Xenophobia versus Engagement issue.”

        No. It is Todd’s hysteria versus rationality.

        “remove the exit ramps from I-90 and picket O’Hare airport to stop international travel?”

        ??? LMAO@U

        ” that’s $300.00″

        WTF did the $300 figure come from? DH is saying up to $20,000.

        The essence of your argument is no one should concerned about city government spending if it doesn’t involve substantial sums of money (substantial defined by you) and if anyone is concerned it is only because they are bigoted and racist!!!

  29. Margaret Miller says:

    Todd, are you for real!
    Mr. Dunne went to Chile not Mr. Bedard or are you telling me Mr. Bedard accompanied Mr. Dunne and his wife?
    Money does not grow on trees.
    and it spelled REAGAN

    • Todd Martin says:

      Margaret, I was referring to the 2011 Firefighter trip to Chile. Yes, “Reagan” is right, you’ve got me there.

      “Money does not grow on trees”.

      If the City takes 10 people to Villa Verone for dinner and pays $30.00 each, that’s $300.00 Elgin’s 2013 General Revenue estimated budget is over $108,000,000 so it represents 0.000278% of the budget. That’s why the City Council does not usually deliberate over items this small. It is a waste of time. Let City Staff make these decisions.

      Elgin has a population of 109,000. Margaret, IF they really do pay for a dinner than you would be on the hook for much less than a penny.

      You’re “freaking out” over two-tenths of a penny? I again suggest looking at ECN’s and contracts. The ERC (East Side Recreation Center) is a perfect example. Councilman Prigge did an excellent job pointing out a floating fishing dock in a detention pond tucked into an ECN (which I thought was flagrant abuse).

      I believe Mr. Bedard is Elgin’s 2013 Firefighter of the year. I think this board has gone overboard and for reasons UNRELATED to money.

      • Margaret Miller says:

        Todd,

        Several things:
        1) You must not have paid close attention to Paul’s post or the Herald article which says upwards of $20,000. Someone has to feed the kitty and I’m tired of special interests and governments dipping their hand into my pocketbook.

        2) As important as the tax dollars in question are, there is a bigger issue here with transparancy with both the Chilean visit and Hoffman Estates fireworks. These items should have been open for discussion and voted on by council prior to the invitation, pledges and itineraries were made. Not under the radar from many members of council. This is devious behavior. We have a representative city council not a feudal fiefdunne. I am not and will not be treated as a Villein. Translation: Sometimes known as a serf. They had to provide free labour, food and service whenever it was demanded. Villeins had no rights. Villeins were poor.)

        3) BTW, I appreciate the offering of your international business trade credentials as I have some of my own so let’s talk international trade. Do you know anything about any of these companies who may want to import their goods to Elgin or Illinois for that matter? Do you have any information if the proper and legal channels are or will be followed or is it too soon for the details?
        A) FYI, just to name a few, the following needs the green light at both ends of this possible “trade agreement”. Agricultural trade is required to go through annual USDA audit approval of farms, processing plant and warehouses, HAACP, GMP, GRAS, ISO, CTPAT, FDA for the importation of cargo fit for human consumption, TSA cargo screening, liability insurance upwards of $5 million, sanitary and traceability plant audits along with State & Federal approval for any international trade agreement.

        So I have to ask the questions a good friend asked me last evening. Are we running a city or an international aid station while Elgin citizens suffer in our present economy? I sure hope that no city council member decides to pull a “Dunne” and go rouge in the future. Not after this mess

  30. James Thiel says:

    OMG, Todd! You’re freaking out!

  31. Tim Palmer says:

    Hey everyone take it easy on Dunne and Bedard!! If your name was mud in this town you would act a little stupid too.

  32. Cruex says:

    Margaret Miller is correct on exporting between countries-there are laws and no councilman or Democrat fire lieutenant can get around those laws. There has been irreversible damage done to the credibility of everyone associated with this Chilean plan. There has been lying and deception and strong hints of inappropriate behavior by an elected official. I should caution everyone that there are six Liberals on the city council who will approve any request for money, vehicles, food, drivers, clothing, room service or anything else these Chilean people want.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Thank you Cruex, just a few additional thoughts.

      I thought Mr. Bedard was a firefighter not a travel agent or employee of Illinois Visitors & Travel Bureau.
      Courier News
      Bedard said “he has been working out details of a possible reciprocal visit since before Dunne went to Chile.”

      Who made that offer Mr. Bedard?
      Courier News
      As such, Bedard said “the city had offered to back the project with some funding if he was unable to secure money from donors”

      Is it only under consideration now the jig is up?
      Courier News
      “While Elgin may not be contributing money to the July visit, Kaptain said it was under consideration” Is it only now that the visit is public the funds are under consideration?”

      That’s because the Chileans were already planned to do it for you Mr. Mayor.
      Courier News
      “Kaptain said Tuesday that although he would be honored, no one has asked him to lead the parade as grand marshal.”

      I address this in my last post.
      Daily Herald
      “A major component of sister cities’ relationships is creating economic opportunities”, Councilman Rich Dunne pointed out. “(Cauquenes has) huge opportunities in agricultural exports — nuts, wine, olives,” he said. “We’re a market for them.” Local entities might be interested in doing business with Chile”, too, he said.

  33. Harmony says:

    I am kinda puzzled by to articles in the paper lately, both in the Courier. One was how the Chase Card employees put together 30,000 meals for hungry kids in Elgin. The second was how the Elgin Parks and Rec’s Dept hands out free lunches every day.Then there has been previous articles about food pantries in the Elgin area running low on food. My question is Are Elgin kids going hungry without this assistance(30,000 kids)? Or our we just supplying meals to kids because the parents see a way to have their children feed by generous people? Are these parent(s) also in the SNAP or WIC programs? And lastly Why in the world is the Elgin Parks and Rec department doing this?

    • One Vote says:

      If you didn’t know better you’d think government WANTS people to be dependent on social programs.
      Want to see a 70% reduction in poverty? Count the value of the freebies given out. Instead of measuring poverty by INCOME, measure it by the VALUE of benefits.
      For example, a Section 8 apartment that rents for $120 looks very much like the one across the hall that working folks are paying $900 a month for. Medicaid looks like a bargain when the working stiff is paying premiums, copays and deductibles. LINK and WIC have real value when the person in line behind them is opening their wallet and paying hard cash for their goods on the belt.
      When you consider these handouts as income there is very little poverty in the United States.
      Here’s another dirty little secret. You know those free lunches given away at school? Only about 3% of those applications are ever audited for truthfulness about income.
      As George Bernard Shaw once said, “A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.”

      • paul says:

        Just the tip of the iceberg, One Vote.
        48 million people on Food Stamps - nearly double from 10 years ago.
        In Ohio each “requires each AmeriCorps member to sign up at least 75 households for food stamps”. Americorp is the US government socialist indoctrination program for college graduates unable to find employment anywhere else, to the tune of “$446 million a year.” Hilariously, one of the benefits Americorp provides in working for them is Food Stamps.

        Many people don’t work because they would lose nearly $1 in benefits for every $1 earned. Being unemployed doesn’t mean they are stupid.

        Why anyone in this country would work for $10 an hour is the mystery.
        What we need to do is legalize 12 million illegals so they too can sign up for a multitude of welfare programs!

        Remember the good old days when there used to be an element of shame being on welfare? Not any more.
        Now the lower middle class KNOW they are being played for chumps going to work everyday.
        And then there is Dunne and all the other public pensioners retiring at a young age drawing annual pensions most of us will don’t even earn while working!

  34. Margaret Miller says:

    Reminder, City Council meeting this Wednesday at 6:00 pm, second floor, city hall.

    See you there!

  35. paul says:

    >>Last week, Elgin Fire Lt. Bob Bedard — who has been spearheading sister city projects in a volunteer capacity — told The Courier-News he thought he would be able to find a way to pay for the visit through donations.

    While events and dinners are being covered by or at the Grand Victoria Casino, Gail Borden Public Library and Porter’s Pub at Bowes Creek Country Club, Kaptain said Monday that fundraising efforts are about $3,800 short and relate to hotel room costs.<<

    Donations from taxpayer funded entites really are NOT donations. Porter’s Pub management is paid $500K a year by the city of Elgin.

    Hmmm - how about publicly protesting the Chileans while they are here, embarrassing both the Chileans and City of Elgin. Call it the 99% Occupido Elgin protest!

  36. Margaret Miller says:

    Interesting idea Paul.

    • paul says:

      should the public protest be at city hall, Porter’s Pub, or John Dalton’s blue tulips on an organ party?

      • Margaret Miller says:

        LOL! I will leave that decision to you. Where will it have the most impact or should we have protesters at all locations?

  37. bw says:

    Prigge and Galvin continue to play God. They both think they are in the know about future benefits Elgin will not see by spending $35,000 of our money on projects that seem reasonable and worthwhile. I suggest they both stop their nonsense and start acting like msture members of the city council. Galvin still is a big bully. Just watch him in action at council meetings. He always looks like he is mad at the world.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      bw, we haven’t heard from you in a while, I thought you were on vacation with Carol Rauschenberger?

      First, the correct spelling is GAVIN but you know that so your error was intentional and unacceptable.

      Second, what issue are you addressing? I will guess the Hoffman Estates fireworks based on the dollar amount you noted.

      As the 77 years old you claim to be, did you plan on going to the Hoffman Estates fireworks display? If you will not be attending, what’s your problem? Why would you care or want to donate taxpayer money to something you’re not a participant in? By the way, please do not speak to where my tax dollars should be spent. I can do that quit nicely without your assistance.

      With that being said, HELLO!
      Per the Fire Chief, Elgin no longer has a location for fireworks nor do we have the $65,000 plus in petty cash for 20 minutes of Ohhhhhhh! If you want Ohhhhhh’s go to the fireworks. The Hoffman Estates fireworks will go on as planned whether Elgin chips in or not. That is one of the many points of this issue. The biggest point was the pledge for funding and city personnel without a council vote for transparency sake. Hoffman Estates can afford their own display but you know all of this already. You just like to hear yourself talk.

      Third, GAVIN & PRIGGE aren’t playing God. They are doing what they think is best for the whole of Elgin not just a small segment. They are doing exactly what they promised during the campaign and its what their electorate voted them into office for. They are mindful of wasteful spending, special interest funding and have the guts to bring secretive issues out into the disinfecting light of day! I wish I could clone them 3 times over. If I did, we would have a more efficiently run local government and I would have more money in my pocketbook and guess what bw….so would you!

      It comes back to your side again with the typical name calling. Let’s face the fact, you may have an opinion but frankly, it means absolutely nothing to the people who applaud GAVIN & PRIGGE for doing their due diligence as leaders of OUR community.

  38. One Vote says:

    The Bedard issue is of major concern. He is close to Dunne and the city council. We didn’t elect him. He is on the sidelines making Dunne a hero in anticipation for his mayoral run (my guess).
    But Bedard brings with him some SEIU influence and certainly fire union input.
    Chicago’s got Balinoff. Obama’s got Stern. Dunne’s got Bedard.
    Close, informal and dangerous.

  39. bw says:

    It comes back to your side again with the typical name calling. Let’s face the fact, you may have an opinion but frankly, it means absolutely nothing to the people who applaud GAVIN & PRIGGE for doing their due diligence as leaders of OUR community

    All 100 of them.

    • paul says:

      “All 100 of them.”

      Use quote marks when you are quoting, bw. That way people KNOW you are quoting. Hence why quote marks are called quote marks. Even at 77, bw, you are still young enough to be schooled. You’re welcome.

      Your claim that only 100 people support Gavin and Prigge evidently indicates your belief that they were elected recently with only 100 votes! You are wrong, yet again, bw. But at least you are consistent.

      More likely, given your standard liberal irrational uncivil constant disparaging of opinions you dislike, you are implying that Gavin and Prigge’s votes are illegitimate because you don’t like them and therefore must be devoid of popular support.

      But thanks for the morning hilarity. Seriously.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      bw, if that is the best response you have to my earlier post its pathetic.

      Let me remind you regarding Kane & Cook County election results for the 4 year race.

      Prigge - 2,871
      Gavin - 2,481
      Rauschenberger - 2,183 (your gal now that Gilliam lost)
      Dunne - 2,027

      Kane & Cook County election results for the 2 year race.
      Shaw - 3,444

      You sure can pick a winner!

      • bw says:

        It comyoues back to your side again with the typical name calling. Let’s face the fact, you may have an opinion but frankly, it means absolutely nothing to the people who applaud GAVIN & PRIGGE for doing their due diligence as leaders of OUR community

        What makes you think more than 100 agree with your comment? Show me the proof. In four years both will have a hard time getting those 100 too vote for them with their bully and ugly ways. The both new a lesson in PR for the good of the community. The manager is as bad as they are.

        • Margaret Miller says:

          Paul, I will let you take this one.

          It is clear that bw cannot compete in the arena of ideas or accept fact as truth.

          I wonder why I waste my time with her!

          • bw says:

            MM: You did not answer my question. Did you run out of ideas or did you decide to accept my post as fact? You have an agenda all of your own. It is your way or the highway.

        • paul says:

          “It comyoues back to your side again with the typical name calling. ”

          Are those your own words or is that a quote of someone else as in your last post????

          Someone called you names?

          “What makes you think more than 100 agree with your comment? ”

          Someone somewhere said something about 100 people agreeing with comments????
          After reviewing carefuly the only one mentioning 100 was you saying only 100 people agree with Gavin and Prigge.
          Despite the FACT that both Gavin and Prigge where recently elected with thousands of votes YOU are saying without a shred of evidence only “All 100 of them.”

          “Show me the proof.”

          Hilariously you say that while not having a shred of proof of your own.

          “did you decide to accept my post as fact? ”

          You are an IDIOT, bw. You truly are. Everyone needs to be called something. I state the TRUTH. That is a FACT.

          • Margaret Miller says:

            Thank you Paul!

          • RS says:

            Well here we go again. I’m sorry Paul but you’re going to have to take a time out til next month or something like that. In the meantime please reflect on the comment policy, do yoga and enjoy some fresh air.

  40. Cruex says:

    I think over 5000 people voted for Gavin and Prigge combined. Both men beat incumbents Dunne and Gilliam and even the Liberal supported but hollow Ensterino and Armstrong. I heard Carol Rauschenberger is asking city hall staff when the fourth of July is this year. Is that true?

  41. ElginSpirit says:

    Live Tweets from the 6/27 City Council Retreat (1:00-5:00pm) and Regular Meetings at City Hall (6:00 - 9:00pm) are available via #ElginGov search on twitter or the feed on the original blog post. Lots of interesting topics at all meetings including ESO Funding, Fox River Country Day School property, Strategic Plan and Budget Updates, Fireworks funding for Northwest Fourth Fest, Chilean Sister-City Delegation Visit, the Far-West Regional Park development and much more.

    http://elginspirit.com/2013/06/live-tweet-626-city-council-retreat-100-pm/

  42. GiffordPark says:

    Just read that Daily Herald article. Does councilman Prigge sound like the biggest idiot. “what precedent does it set?” it sets the precedent of not being idiots.

    • Anna Claire says:

      Gifford Park

      You asked, “what precedent does it set?”

      Answer: It sets the precedent that if any councilperson, who feels their good will is in some way a benefit to your City of Elgin, has at their disposal up to $20,000 with no questions asked, no discussion and no vote as Councilman Dunne & Lt. Bob Bedard had hoped, before the details of this Chilean visit got out to the public.

      I do not understand the thought process that the tax payer’s money is available to anyone’s whim for any idea THEY have or any cause THEY feel worthy to support.

      The kitty ALWAYS has to be replenished with more tax payer’ monies once those funds have been exhausted.

  43. Cruex says:

    It’s time to start considering asking for resignations from the city council. Like all big problems, it starts at the top with the mayor and goes down to most of the council. The Liberals who are playing party hosts with my money need to go and the next election is too far away to wait.

  44. Todd Martin says:

    Councilman Steffen was exactly right when he spoke about the damage to Elgin’s image as a result of Wednesday’s City Council meeting.

    Let’s be clear, Councilman Prigge personally added to the agenda a special topic of discussion, the arrival of foreign dignitaries to Elgin.

    Councilman Prigge then made a motion to ban ANY staff time or dollars to be spent in hosting the delegation. There’s your ZERO dollar & ZERO time policy.

    This is despite the fact that the City Council unanimously voted in proclamation the Sister City relationship. Despite the fact that the Sister City received our delegation and treated them with respect and generosity. Despite the fact that the purpose of the Sister City program is to engage both communities in economic development, cultural exchanges, and peace. This is despite the fact that he did not have the votes to pass his motion. This is despite the fact that the dollars involved are minimal. This is despite the fact that his motion can damage negotiations to bring investments and jobs into our community.

    While some would prefer Mayberry USA, Elgin is much different than that. Elgin can’t survive by simply delivering pizza to one another. We need foreign trade and foreign investments into our community. Trade and direct investments lead to jobs, money, and economic growth. The cultural exchanges and demonstration of respect as shown in the Sister City program opens the door.

    Our image was damaged when our City Council discussed a BAN of time or money to receive foreign dignitaries. How do you think our latino community feels when our AFLA City Councilman pushes a BAN on receiving Latino dignitaries? Many foreign business investors will look at Elgin as undesirable because we don’t want them.

    Without exports, the company I work for would be 1/2 its current size. I am personally offended by Wednesday’s City Council “Debate”. If this blind pursuit of a nightmare ever makes the majority view in this council, then EVERYONE would suffer.

    • RS says:

      “This is despite the fact that his motion can damage negotiations to bring investments and jobs into our community.”

      Are there negotiations we don’t know about?

      I agree with the way the council voted but I don’t think Prigge or Gavin should be castigated for protesting the way this went down. Protest votes are an important part of the political process. Just because you don’t have a majority doesn’t mean you should shut your mouth and get out of the way. But now that the debate is over, I would expect everybody to come together as a united front and extend the proper hospitality.

      The important thing that came out of this mess is that everybody has learned a lesson. You can’t just take it for granted that you can count on the city manager to pay whatever you want (under $20K) and nobody else is going to say anything about it. I think those days are over. From now on, you better secure your funding before you print and send out your invitations.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Todd:

      Thank you for being in agreement with me on the H.E. Fourth-Fest. If we agree on that, do you think we will agree with the below regarding the visit from the Chileans? Its the same problem just a different issue.

      You stated, “Let’s be clear, Councilman Prigge personally added to the agenda a special topic of discussion, the arrival of foreign dignitaries to Elgin.”

      Yes, he did. I believe this was for the benefit of Elgin taxpayers under the guise of transparency. He is pointing out that a rouge council member, extended an invitation to visit Elgin for originally 16 dignitaries from Chile and request for funding.

      Up until this time, this issue had not been addressed by council. No discussion, no vote just the secretive solicitation of funds and city staff time. This is inappropriate. Just like the fireworks, one week prior to the event.

      Todd your continue: “This is despite the fact that the City Council unanimously voted in proclamation the Sister City relationship.”

      Can to inform me when this happened? I have looked on the Elgin web site, Internet searches and came up with zero. Do you have any details or are you taking the word of council members with no follow up?

      For additional information regarding this independent “sister city committee”, turn your attention to http://www.cityofelgin.org/index.aspx?NID=141 pull down “City Council Meeting” and click on COW 06-26-13 then click video.

      Move forward to 00:53:08 - 00:54:38 - Councilman Prigge addresses the City Manager:

      Councilman Prigge “We as a city, correct me if I’m wrong, have NO official designation or organization that we have voted on or accepted as titled a “Sister City Committee. Is that correct?”

      City Manager’s Response: “Councilman, they are not one of your standing boards or commissions that’s appointed either by the Council or by the Mayor.”

      Move forward to Councilman Gavin’s rebuttal response to Councilman Dunne at 01:05:57 - 01:08:03

      Council members Moeller, Powell, Rauschenberger and Steffen ran a tag team defense for Dunne & Bedard on an issue that procedurally was not handled properly, just like the fireworks.

      You sure can tell who’s looking out after the Elgin Tax payer from that list.

      Mr. Steffen, what is embarrassing is that the architect and his councilman cohort were caught doing something inappropriate at best and underhanded at the core never taking into account, or caring where the funds were coming from, the tax payer, whom YOU and all council memebrs are supposed to be looking out for.

      So, once again, Councilman Prigge & Councilman Gavin are digging up the dirt and finding the worms. They are the Elgin’s tax payer’s shining light.

      • Todd Martin says:

        Margaret, here’s from the Daily Herald:

        “When fire departments have gear that is still functional but no longer in compliance with industry standards there is not much they can do with it. Elgin Fire Lt. Robert Bedard said the gear has no value. Same with medical equipment that could still help people, just not in the United States where regulations prohibit its use.

        A new sister city arrangement with Cauquenes, Chile — a community devastated by an earthquake in 2010 — will provide an outlet for the gear and equipment.

        RELATED ARTICLE
        Elgin expecting visit from sister city delegation

        “By giving it to a country where they have nothing whatsoever, this is huge,” said Bedard, who has been coordinating aid to Chile since the earthquake. “It solves a problem up here and it solves a problem there.” Elgin Mayor David Kaptain read the official sister city proclamation during Wednesday’s City Council meeting, announcing the latest partnership that could soon be one of many.

        • Todd Martin says:

          Margaret, these issues are NOT the same. Councilman Prigge picked out the Chilean visit to attack personally. If he cared only about money & the Elgin taxpayer, we would have had 20 minutes of discussion covering the Engineering Change Order for the 911 system instead.

          The City Manager does not bring every small dollar bill to the city council. If he did, we would be operating under a different form of municipal government and politics would be involved in every cup of coffee brewed in a city building.

          Prigge wanted to stick his “opponents” in the eye and embarrass people. His motion was rude, insensitive, and harmful to our community.

        • Margaret Miller says:

          Todd:

          City proof, not something third hand.

          I’m looking for agenda notes within the city record of the actual council vote proclaiming Cauquenes, Chile an Elgin sister city. I want to know about the actaul vote not someone’s word that there was one.

          Taking your information from the newspapers is foolish as a source of factual documentation. Remember, they are the ones that told us Obamacare was a good thing.

          BTW, check out my post of June 19, 2013 on this site. We had a short discussion already about this issue. You must be forgetting I was the first to post about this story on June 15, 2013.

  45. Margaret Miller says:

    The constant deflection of responsibility and procedures that were not properly followed were exposed by Councilmen Gavin & Prigge Wednesday evening regarding the lack of transparency of the Hoffman Estates (H.E.) “2013 Northwest Fourth-Fest, Presented by Kia”

    Turn your attention to http://www.cityofelgin.org/index.aspx?NID=141 pull down “City Council Meeting” and click on COW 06-26-13 then click video.

    Classic viewing in support of the taxpayer starts with Councilman Prigge at 00:6:18
    Unwavering reinforcement from Councilman Gavin at 00:12:26

    One of the most interesting comments made from Mayor Kaptain starting at 00:24:17. He said, “and as far as a partnership, how do you create a partnership when you vote on something a week before the event and other people have been doing this for months. One of the proposals back from (H.E.) AS THIS GOES FORWARD IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO FIREWORKS they would like to sit down with us very early in January and start to talk about planning on how we all can be partners and work closely on this together. It wasn’t a great year for them last year, they lost about $100,000 on the event.” (Margaret says, why is their 2012 deficit due to their poor planning become Elgin’s 2013 liability?)

    So help me understand, is the Mayor telling the Elgin citizens that Hoffman Estates provided Elgin the escape on the funding & personnel and he did not take it? If I’m correct, what is the real reason this issue continued to move forward to the majority “Yes” vote? Is the Mayor is so prideful that he cannot admit to H.E. that Elgin handled this issue improperly and Elgin cannot move forward making his apologies?

    Now, 8 days before the 4th of July, the vote of transparency finally took place. How about that for timing? Its 6 months late and Elgin is approximately $35,000 short in the tax payer till.

    It was also brought up that H.E. INFORMED Elgin they wanted our Police Officers and not our VOLUNTEER CERT personnel as we offered/provided last year. How insulting to CERT and Elgin citizens. To the detriment of certain council members, in their absurdity, they submitted to the will and dictates of H.E., as good employees do.

    To add insult to injury, SIDEBAR #1: It was reported Wednesday evening that 2012 Elgin’s VOLUNTEER CERT personnel were not equipped with proper working communications, never offered water and were treated poorly by H.E. That is unacceptable but apparently not to certain City Council members who voted in favor of moving forward on this boondoggle.

    The final sword in Elgin’s side comes from, SIDEBAR #2: The Elgin Symphony Orchestra will be featured at the “2013 Northwest Fourth-Fest, Presented by Kia”. Does anyone know if ESO will be cutting a check back to Elgin for any of their “past due” rent balance of over $303,000?

    Let’s be clear on this, per the Fire Chief, Elgin no longer has a location for fireworks so why has a committee been formed to investigate something that has already been determined a no go by the Fire Chief?

    If you want fireworks, feel free to visit a town that offers them as Councilman Shaw suggested. If you don’t feel proud to attend H.E. fireworks because Elgin has not kicked in their ante as Mayor Kaptain does, (”For me to go over there and not pay …, it’s not something I’m particularly proud of,” he said.”) feel free to send that city your personal check to ease your conscience. Not my tax dollars.

    Remember Mr. Mayor, as you said at 00:26:34 regarding fireworks in Elgin “all of the other events that we do have an opportunity to bring revenue back to the City of Elgin. Fireworks do not do that. They’re a total expenditure of $65,000-$75,000.

    Well there you go Elgin. The Mayor admits there is no revenue advantage to Elgin fireworks, the Fire Chief says no location available, we don’t have the $65-75,000 in petty cash, so if you want to Ohhh and Ahhh in 2014, I suggest you find a welcoming community that offers fireworks and subsidize them if you feel so inclined.

    The only “NO VOTES” came from Gavin, Prigge & Shaw. The majority “YES” votes made Elgin look like suckers!

    • Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

      With Elgin losing two auto dealers in the future and gaining another we could use the $15,000 to help replace some of the taxes we will lose from them. Of course, we don’t need a reason to justify keeping all of our tax dollars in Elgin.

  46. Todd Martin says:

    Margaret, I agree with you on the 4th of July vote. The City Council should have been been given the agenda item to vote on 6 months ago, not a few days before the event. The holiday is hardly a surprise event, we kind of know when it will happen.

    • Margaret Miller says:

      Todd:
      What was the surprise was that once again, someone pledged tax payer funds and city staff without bringing the matter up for council approval.

      What is it going to take to get Council members to place the tax payers first in the spending decision process and special interests second, third or fourth?

      Perhaps they can take lessons from Gavin & Prigge!

      • bw says:

        MM:

        Perhaps they can take lessons from Gavin & Prigge!

        The only lessons I want to take from these two would be to enroll them in a PR class. I think it is to late for either of them as they lack understanding the working of local government. Elgin voters sure elected two winners when they voted these two to four year terms on the city council.

        • Margaret Miller says:

          OMGosh I cannot believe that I will take the time to address you as I head out the door.

          I find it unimaginable that this is the only line you chose to come back to me with after all my posting yesterday. Let me address you and be done with it.

          As far as your suggestion of enrolling Gavin & Prigge into a PR class may be amusing to you, I am of the opinion that their message is coming out loud and clear to the citizens of Elgin and other spending liberals in this city but I will tell them about your post and advise them to save the enrollment fee.

          As far as lacking understanding of local government is concerned, you must be joking me!

          They are certainly keeping your side in check and their knowledge of their responsibility for parks and recreation services, police and fire departments, housing services, emergency medical services, municipal courts, transportation services (including public transportation), and public works (streets, sewers, snow removal, signage, and so forth) is VAST.

          Got to meet a friend for breakfast now. Take care

          • bw says:

            MM: They are certainly keeping your side in check and their knowledge of their responsibility for parks and recreation services, police and fire departments, housing services, emergency medical services, municipal courts, transportation services (including public transportation), and public works (sttoreets, sewers, snow removal, signage, and so forth) is VAST.

            Mike Alft has more knowledge than tyhesev two guys could every comprehend. Thw difference Mike had the ability to use his knowledge in a positive way. Alft had great PR abiity without turning people off. These two might have some knowledge in these areas but the try to bully their way in every meeting. I don’t know who they represent as they are against everything like the sister project. They want Elgin to be known as not a friendly city. By he way I seen the TLC van parked at JB’S the other day. I thought the EPD shut them down which was a lack of justice,

            .I hope you enjoyed your breakfast.

  47. RS says:

    This is a New Zealand study but the conclusions should be similar:

    http://nzier.org.nz/publications/economic-benefits-of-sister-city-relationships

    • One Vote says:

      RS, you do realize that this “study” was commissioned by the Sister City organization of New Zealand. What did you think they were going to say?
      IMHO, this sister city nonsense is just more post-American, citizens of the world hype that prevails in our political climate. I don’t want urbane; I just want my streets paved, garbage picked up and snow plowed. Is that too much to ask?

  48. Margaret Miller says:

    RS:

    Thanks for that more than 10 years old report but I took the bait and opened it up.

    RS states: “This is a New Zealand study but the conclusions should be similar:”

    Well, they are not in my opinion and from my quick view, its NZIER’s attempt to publish a How To Guide for New Zealand exports while in the process attempting to make, at least this report look credible.

    http://nzier.org.nz/sites/nzier.org.nz/files/4084%20Economic%20benefits%20of%20Sister%20City%20relationships.pdf

    The .pdf reflects it was beneficial to New Zealand (example comparison to the USA) to export their goods to their sister cities (China, Japan and Australia) opening New Zealand’s trade routes not vice-versa which is what mayor Kaptain is suggesting.

    What does Elgin offer as an export to Chile and for that matter, Illinois that the Illinois Department of Agriculture is not already addressing at the State level?

    We keep hearing economic trade. How is Elgin going to benefit from agriculture imports from Cauquenes, Chile when the USA is the bread basket of the world? Please don’t spout the Kaptain line and tell me its the Napa Valley of that region, I have had enough smoke blown up my backside and we have our own Napa Valley in California.

    I have already addressed some of the key components required to import goods for human consumption in my post of June 19 to Todd. Please feel free to review.

    To me, this .pdf is a how to guide for Elgin to once again receive the short end of the stick. Page 38 - Guidelines for Councils

    Under the guise of full disclosure - About NZIER - Our aim is to be the premier centre of applied economic research in New Zealand. Established in 1958, the NZ Institute of Economic Research Inc (NZIER) is a non-profit incorporated society based in Wellington. The NZIER team of economists is one of the largest in New Zealand outside of government.

    The report (page 28 4.5): Lessons from Christchurch noting 6 sister cities reads:
    Each relationship has a different focus. The Christchurch (England) association is primarily in existence because of its nomenclature – little or no direct economic benefits have resulted. The Gansu region in China is vast, but remains primarily an agricultural region. The relationship is currently based on cultural exchange. However, given its agricultural economy, opportunities exist for knowledge sharing and technological exchange in the future. The Song-pa Gu relationship was selected with a specific aim of developing business to business linkages. However, it is relatively young and has not yet developed into a ‘deep’ enough relationship that would be suitable for a trade focus. The Adelaide and Seattle relationships are based less on cultural exchanges (due to the lack of language or cultural barriers), and have resulted in a number of information exchanges. The Kurashiki relationship, whilst again founded on cultural exchange and student and youth activities, has led to economic benefits more recently.

    On page 6 Table #2 of the .pdf report it reads: Direct Costs to Councils of sister city programmes.
    These figures go back to 2002. The example given reports 5 cities in New Zealand with a total cost to the cities of $454,000 (NZD) in March 2002. Converting to (USD) in 2013 $351,600 divided by the 5 cities it cost each NZ city $70,320. The staff time was insignificant and the benefits completely questionable in my eyes.

    On page 6 Table #1
    The MAJORITY of the NZ sister cities sited are from the Asia-Pacific region. Noting the already developed country of Japan, their current neighbor and trade partner Australia and several developing but not quit there cities in China.

    On page 16 3.2 Key Results on the .pdf
    They noted in their development of their graph Figure 1,2 & 3 that they had 22 or less replies.

    That’s when I closed the .pdf file.

    I don’t see a cost benefit to Elgin but friendship.
    RS, if I am missing something in this report that is pertinent, please draw my attention to it.

    • RS says:

      Let’s not get fixated on what Mayor Kaptain said. Nobody knows at this point whether any trade relationship for Elgin would be primarily export or import-oriented or whether there will be any trading relationship at all. We’ll just have to wait and see. It’s not going to happen overnight. But it CAN happen.

      I thought the costs you mentioned in that study are very modest. That’s the reason there are no independent US studies on this. It’s not considered controversial. And there are cultural and other justifications besides economic ones, making a study kind of dubious in significance except for the type from New Zealand which as you guys observed is as much a “how to” guide as an academic study.

      So I think we should be supportive of this and other sister city relationships. As I’ve stated I think we should also cultivate a relationship with our original sister city Vientiane where there can be more opportunities for Elgin businesses.

      Still of course there should be procedures that are followed and people should avoid freelancing with respect to the kind of commitments that can end up generating controversy as happened recently.

      Also need to watch out for junkets! But with those caveats in mind, yes proceed.

  49. One Vote says:

    I hear the ESO bailout is on the table again, slated for further discussion sometime in July.
    Some want to give them $75K in city money a year and have them pay back the debt 20K a year for 20 years.
    Others want to see it up front.
    Still others want to give ESO some riverboat money conditional on other groups getting some form of restored funding.
    I know some people here see ESO as a feather in our cap. I see Elgin as having fallen so far that a symphony is nothing but a farce. When you look at the demographics, you’ll see what I mean.
    Maybe Sleepy Hollow or Geneva needs a symphony. Not Elgin. And certainly not Elgin’s homeowners.

    • SIE says:

      Why don’t we just board up the city? By no means am I an advocate of the tax and spend council but I have no issue with the ESO. Maybe it’s because it is a link to a better past but still what exactly do you want in Elgin? Pawn Shops and Taquerias?

      • Margaret Miller says:

        I would like the ESO to be responsible for their debts and pay Elgin the past due back rent of over $303,000.00.

        That’s what I want! We have waited long enough and not even a payment in good faith as far as I know.

        If it were any other company, Elgin would not have tolerated this behavior.

        • bw says:

          MM: Where do you think ESO is going to get the funds to pay back the city in a lump sum?

          Maybe ESO can file a Chapter 13 and get a plan where the Judge will allow monthly payments to the Trusree.

          However, maybe the can file a Chapter 7 and get rid of the entire debt.

          All interest free an any payment plan.

  50. ElginPatriot says:

    It was stated at the last city council meeting by the Mayor that Councilman Prigge would not represent the city of Elgin at the mayors behest unless there was compensation involved.

    This made me wonder if he is paid to do the parade commentary on July 4th? As a councilman or just a broadcast freelancer as he’s done the video program with Jeff Myers for several years now (pre-election as well).

    • Anonymous says:

      Elgin Patriot:

      As to Prigge, I think what he explained about money at the council was pretty clear. He admitted that he doesn’t have any money to spare, so why should someone expect him to spend maybe a couple of grand to go fly off to Chile? He simply can’t afford it.

      If someone asked me to go fly off to Chile, I’d say fine, as long as I’m not paying for it. Not everyone has two government pensions and a well paying government job.

      So while I have no idea if Prigge is paid for his July 4th commentary, it would be fine with me if he is getting paid by the cable TV company.

      Looking at it another way, George Washington volunteered his services during the American Revolution, but he was one of the biggest, wealthiest landowners in Virginia. Much as I like Prigge, he isn’t George Washington!

      Happy July 4th!, Chuck

  51. Chuck Keysor says:

    Hey, that Anonymous was me! My cookies must have gotten cleared! Chuck

  52. Cruex says:

    BW has left out other options when it comes to dealing with the millionaires on the ESO board. One option is printing the names and addresses of all past and present board members who will be credited with running the ESO into the ground if they don’t pay what they owe right now. On that list will be people who own large companies that occasionally do work for city government. Other popular names will include people who have great philanthropic reputations and even have their names on buildings. Some of the names are of people who serve on other popular boards. The scorn of being known for killing the ESO and walking out on the Hemmens rent will last for generations and ruin family reputations and businesses.

  53. Cruex says:

    Please list the cities you believe would welcome an organization largely supported by millionaires and those who live outside of Elgin that owes Elgin $300K for back rent.

  54. SIE says:

    Just got around to watching the last City Council meeting. The 6-3 vote on the resolution related to the Northwest Fourth-Fest is predictive of how votes of this matter will go for the next two years. Just like I said after the election. Adding Gavin and Shaw was good, but not good enough.

    And before you respond I’m not posting to debate Elgin’s participation in Northwest Fourht-Fest just pointing out that the council will contioue to pass it’s agenda.