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  1. RS says:

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/americas/2011/09/05/mr-lee-texas-responds-al-jazeera

    I would not have changed my mind about allowing you to just drop by and interview people and film our students. We did not have prior notice and we certainly did not have time to verify who you were. Also, I would have asked you not to do those things at a public event, on public property and at a public school function.

    If you had done these, then the FERPA rights for our students would very well have been violated, especially for the students whose parents have signed papers not allowing the pictures of their children on the web.

    Sadly America is full of ignorant superintendents and bureaucrats who are thoroughly unfamiliar with the laws they think they are upholding.

    http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html

    • paul says:

      Wow! So RS thinks me and my crew have a constitutional right to be given a platform to accomplish my own objective that are completely disassociated with the public school event, not for ANY purpose associated with the event, but for my own personal gain by interfering and disrupting others during the public school event!
      I disagree.
      Al Jazeera could have done their interviews about 9/11 with everyone going into or out of the Texas high school football game event. Al Jazeera could have interviewed anyone on Main Street Booker Texas about 9/11. In those public forums people have a choice of walking away from Al Jazeera’s acts of incivility right of getting in their face. Everyone else paid money to watch the football game, except Al Jazeera who paid money only to interfere and disrupt those people.
      If Al Jazerra thinks their constitutional rights have been violated they need to lawfully pursue that. Given that they haven’t evidences their lack of case.
      Sadly bloggers in America such as RS are ignorant as to responsibilites associated with rules and regulations as codified into the law.

      • RS says:

        According to your logic, Paul, no news would ever be recorded. You think of news gathering as personal gain. The rest of the world sees it as an important service for the benefit of the public.

        • paul says:

          RS, you could not possibly be further from truth.
          “According to your logic, Paul, no news would ever be recorded”

          According to your logic. RS, logic no longer exists.
          CLEARLY, Al Jazeera was NOT at that high school football game to report on the “news” of the high school football game.
          As I CLEARLY said, The “news” AL Jazeera wanted get in people’s faces about was readily available outside that entry fee paid public high school event and readily available on any public street in Booker Texas.
          “The rest of the world sees it ”
          I’m quite sure you are not the spokesman for the rest of the world. AGAIN, Al Jazeera has full protection of the law. if Al jazeera thinks their rights have been unlawfully violated they can commence corrective lawful action. That they have NOT speaks volumes about the truth of my logic.
          But nice try defending Al Jazeera and uncivil conduct, RS.

          • RS says:

            Paul, please read the superintendent’s letter again. He specifically stated that FERPA rights of his students would be violated. He did not make his decision to exclude Al-Jazeera on the basis that you are claiming, that it would be a distraction or unwelcome disturbance. According to the superintendent’s rationale, photography would never be permitted at a school sporting event because it would violate FERPA, which is nonsense.

          • paul says:

            “He did not make his decision to exclude Al-Jazeera on the basis that you are claiming”

            I have no idea of the potential numerous factors that “he” possibly rendered his decision on. And neither do you.
            Thus the ONLY relevant question is did he legal justification for his decision, regardless of the alleged only reasoning he gave. Evidently he did, given both you and Al Jazeera’s inability to evidence otherwise and not pursuing Al Jazeera’s supposed violated constitutional legal rights.
            It is only you and Al Jazeera who makes this ONLY and ALL about FERPA. If Al Jazeera was legally excluded for reasons other than FERPA, then the FERPA argument is rendered moot; i.e., there is no legal standing under FERPA in this incident.

          • RS says:

            Paul, if you have not read the superintendent’s letter, here he outlines his rationale, specifically stating that FERPA rights of his students would be violated:

            I would not have changed my mind about allowing you to just drop by and interview people and film our students. We did not have prior notice and we certainly did not have time to verify who you were. Also, I would have asked you not to do those things at a public event, on public property and at a public school function.

            If you had done these, then the FERPA rights for our students would very well have been violated, especially for the students whose parents have signed papers not allowing the pictures of their children on the web.

            At no point did I or Al-Jazeera claim that anybody’s constitutional rights were violated by the school’s refusal to grant permission to film.

          • paul says:

            “At no point did I or Al-Jazeera claim that anybody’s constitutional rights were violated by the school’s refusal to grant permission to film.”

            Wow. So unlawfully preventing AL Jazeera from performing their very valuable service of news reporting in the U.S. is not a constitutional issue!!!

            It is not a constitutional issue ONLY if the superintendent’s action were lawful. That Al Jazeera does NOT persue AL Jazeera’s legal remedies as accorded to Al Jazeera by the U.S. constitition is the telling fact as to whether AL Jazeera (and you) is right or wrong here.

  2. One Vote says:

    So what’s the deal at Channing? Some problem with parental contact I presume.
    Ernie was transferred last year (after a decade at the school) so I’m guessing Torres saw it coming. Folks who taught there will tell you Ernie had it coming for lots of reasons, mostly lack of leadership.
    Adding to the excitement is the fact that Veronica Noland went before the board with her complaints. I love it when Elgin politicians get openly critical of U46. It usually ends badly, and with a huge price tag.
    Keep an eye on this one. It involves NCLB, Title 1 and maybe some cooked books to mask a problem. All this hubbub for unfunded mandates.

  3. elgin150 says:

    I did not know Elgin Council Member Tish Powell did not like police officers when I voted for her.

    • Anonymous says:

      Assuming you are referring to the two officers being crucified for a photo taken 14 years ago. A photo that has no known source. A photo that could have been manipulated to support any concocted story that benefits the accuser. If you notice the weird angle of the police officers and the questionable crop job of the photo how can anyone determine the context of the photo. Can anyone guarantee that the original photo didn’t have the accuser standing right next to the officers possibly with K’s on his hands? That would make for a completely different interpretation of this mess. Not to mention the monument was denouncing the KKK. Why would they be so happy and celebrating the KKK. This photo should have never been considered evidence of any wrong doing. Nobody to this day knows what happened and the punishment is solely based on what looks bad not the truth. It will never hold up in a court of law. If the accuser was offended he should have spoke up when it happened. There has to be some statute of limitations on misconduct in the police department. Not that any misconduct has actually been proven.
      Well, based on this photo the ONE organization has determined that this is proof that the two officers are members of the KKK. This one photo has been the focus of a rally in which the ONE organization is holding posters announcing that these officers are Klan members. If you missed the first rally there is another one scheduled for this weekend too. The ONE organization wants these men fired for being a part of the KKK. Are there any libel or slander lawyers out there looking for a case? They claim that the police look at photos of them and if they are making gang signs they get put in a gang profile. I don’t believe that to be true. In speaking with the police there are certain criteria that needs to be met before a person is put in the gang profile. One photo is not enough and it should not be enough to label these officers KKK members. I think if the ONE organization wants to legitimately strengthen its relationship with the police department they should schedule a sit down with the chief and air their concerns.

      • Terry Gavin says:

        “Just the facts & nothing but the facts”! When this group ONE showed up at the council meeting on 9/14 & started to spew their hate speech against the EPD, Chief Swoboda & Councilman Prigge I nearly blew a gasket! First of all making accusations of “racism” against anybody without proof is just plain evil.

        The City of Elgin was sued in the 90’s by black officers while I was on the council for “racial discrimination” & a Federal judge threw it out but it still cost the taxpayers plenty of money but the evidence was just not there. Now we’ve got a group with a convicted felon as spokesman making obscene accusations with no proof against solid citizens & officers of the law demanding firings & resignations. Either present your proof or shut up & that goes for whoever is behind this!