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2011 Consolidated Election Open Thread

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The 2011 Consolidated Election is on April 5th The 2011 Consolidated Election is on April 5th (Photo by The Elginite).

This is an open thread for the 2011 municipal elections. In the comment section, you can share your thoughts about the various races here and your experiences at the polling places.

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  1. One Vote says:

    Unions will be the force to beat this time around.
    They are stoked after what happened in Madison and they are protecting their turf with ECC and U46.
    Obviously, if they are at the polls they’ll also vote for the city council and mayor.
    So, how will that turn out? They will most likely lean left and favor Schock.
    All the more reason for the private sector workers and retirees to turn out. Time will tell.

    • rm says:

      I’m curious how you see the unions “protecting their turf” at ECC with John and Ellie.

      Both of them seem pretty committed to holding the line against ECC union demands for wage increases. Which makes me all the more puzzled why they would invite Dalton, a controversial Chicago Machine drone and the brains behind union puppet Noland, into the group. Maybe they feel they have to suck up to “The Senator” for funding help - for salary increases?

      Taxpayers - and anyone concerned for healthy educational institutions - would really rue the day Dalton and Noland got their fangs into ECC.

      • One Vote says:

        I think I’ve led you astray with my union comment. What I meant was union turn out. Union members show up to vote for board members (or against them, as you suggest). I have no idea how the ETA endorsements are stacking up. I would guess that all ed election incumbents should be worried.
        When it comes to city candidates, you will have 5,000 public education union workers and spouses at the polls on April 5th. Will they like Schock or Kaptain? Both are lefties. They might boost the totals for Steffen, Moeller, Powell and Warren.

        • One Vote says:

          From what I can tell, there are no Scott Walkers on the ECC or U46 ballots for the unions to worry about.

  2. Change council Now! says:

    The Elgin City Council took steps to help Senior Services Associates expand its downtown space and approved a contract with the police union at Wednesday evening’s council sessions.

    Acting on a suggestion Councilman Mike Warren brought up in February, the move would allow Senior Services to expand beyond the 800 square feet it rents at 105 S. Grove Ave. to include another 6,900 square feet of room close by at 107 S. Grove and 205 Fulton St. All three sites in question are overseen by Elite Management, 164 Division St., located in the Professional Building downtown.

    Warren, who like Mayor Ed Schock is running for re-election, noted that Schock told him he knew Ron Cope, one of the owners of the Professional Building, who also own the properties in question. Schock put the parties in touch.

    Councilman John Prigge tried to convince the council to table the measure, stating that because Warren only brought it up in February, it came up too fast. He said he was not 100 percent comfortable with it and suggested a decision wait until May, after the election and with a new council seated.

    His motion failed 4-3, with Prigge and Councilmen Rich Dunne and Dave Kaptain, who is running for mayor, wanting to table it and Mayor Ed Schock, Councilmen Mike Warren, John Steffen and Bob Gilliam negating the move. Only the same four voted for moving the motion forward to an upcoming regular meeting for approval, but that was sufficient.

    Steffen mentioned that other options had been explored for extra space, to no avail. While not against the project per se, Kaptain objected, claiming that it appeared council members tried to negotiate a deal before bringing it to staff.

    “Staff should be there from the very beginning,” Kaptain said.

    “There was no deal cut,” Warren said, noting he took offense at what Kaptain was implying.

    “This isn’t like this is the first time this has occurred. There is nothing new here,” Schock said, strongly asserting no deals have been made.

    “The timing of this is exquisite. I wanted to take the ‘politicalness’ out of it. I don’t want that for this team,” Prigge said.

    City Manager Sean Stegall mentioned that the purchase of service agreement with Senior Services was due to be on the meeting agenda regardless of its amended nature. To leave it off might seem equally political, Stegall said.

    As set at the committee of the whole session, the agency would receive $10,170 in 2011 as part of the agreement to provide services to local seniors and about $14,000 more to cover seven months’ rent for the additional space this year. The city then would have to come up with extra money to help pay the rent for two years beyond that. The money would come from Grand Victoria Casino money the city receives.

    Rent on the property would be $3,600 per month, which would include all utilities. A code inspection would be done prior to any agreement. Senior Services would continue to pay $800 a month out of its own funds. The deal is contingent upon Elgin Township pitching in $833 a month, which it is set to discuss at its April 6 meeting. The city would contribute $1,967 a month toward the rent.

    No

    • Change says:

      You forgot to say that the majority of the $1900 a month was coming from Grand Victoria Foundation which is not a taxpayer funded entity. :)

  3. LFG-A says:

    I wanted to share a wonderful column from Paul Challacombe | Vote: An uncast ballot shapes Elgin too

    http://elgin.bocajump.com/Paul-Challacombe/vote-an-uncast-ballot-shapes-elgin-too

    The first 300 words contain jeweled memories and insights about Elgin’s longevity from one of its native sons - leading to the question of ‘change’ and the lack of informed voters in the local election process on these bi-yearly ‘low’ turn-out elections.

    …”there is an election thrust upon us. It’s very easy to vote or you can even go over to the library and vote early. Usually, 20% or less of our registered community votes in these ‘off year’ local elections. So the time when your vote has the most weight, you seem least inclined to care. Americans are so coddled by their freedoms they take them for granted while those less fortunate around the world than we die for that ideal.

    Of course, local issues are really just little modulations upon the premise of our lives. They matter, but only to a degree, a degree we tend to become cynical about. Yet small things matter and who our local representatives are matter. Elgin is still small enough to get right and large enough to screw up.”

  4. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    In my opinion if we are going to create with our votes a possible new majority voting block on the city council it is going to be necessary for voters to not vote for Schock, Warren, or Steffen.

    It is also going to be needed for people who don’t vote for those three to vote for the same three challengers so their vote total can be “supersized” to defeat the incumbents.

    My choice in order of the way I like them are

    Michael Curtain, Michael Robins, Toby Shaw for Elgin City Councilman

    Mike Curtain - profile on elginite at

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/01/28/michael-curtin-city-council-candidate/

    I am impressed in his actions he took regarding his own neighborhood which has old sewers that back up from time to time. Review this at web address below with poster mike_c -

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/03/25/mayor-neglected-basic-infrastructure/#comment-51683

    Mike sounds like a man of action and research who has gone to the city in the past and complained about this. Read his entire bio and you will see he has a scientific background that could be very useful on the city council.

    MIKE ROBINS - Profile at elginite.org at

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/18/mike-robins-city-council-candidate-2/

    I know from first hand experience that if you have a question for Mike Robins he will return your call. He is not going to take a salary the first term he is in office and that shows me the heart he has to serve the citizens of Elgin. He has the talent to work with groups and get things done.

    Toby Shaw - elginite profile at -

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/17/toby-shaw-city-council-candidate/

    An excerpt from Toby’s elginite profile -

    Why should Elginites vote for you?

    Elginites will vote for me because we share a common vision for leadership. They’re looking for leaders that share their morals, values, and a desire to serve others, not themselves. They’re looking for leaders who will listen to their ideas, concerns, and suggestions. Citizens are interested not in special treatment, but fair treatment.

    For what it is worth I have a number of people I have ruled out and I will give you my reasons. Some might seem frivolous or not meaningful reasons but to me it helps me eliminate some of them.

    Shane Nowak - This was an easy one. Although I agree with his less government stance I was miffed when the question I posed to him and all the other candidates in the elginite.org was just completely ignored. At the forum when I saw him and I asked him about the question he said he had been really busy. He had at least a week if not longer so Shane is not my man.

    Tish Powell - She carefully did not respond to question number 2 I had for her in her Elginite profile until I followed up. Here is what she had to say in an email response when asked again -

    2. In 2004 were you for the parents group suing OUR OWN SCHOOL DISTRICT ? Yes or No please

    Clarence,

    Unfortunately, I really can’t give you a yes or no answer to the second question. While I agree that the cost to the school district and ultimately the tax payers is substantial, these families, just like anyone else, have the right to seek legal recourse if they feel aggrieved. Do I wish the situation could have been resolved outside of going to court to avoid racking up these legal bills? Absolutely! However, that was not my call. Ultimately it is the courts, not us, who will decide who is right.

    My thoughts below regarding Tish Powell

    On the council I want communicators and leaders that are going to do everything in their power to stifle or defuse litigation talk that is costing everybody in U46 8.6 million dollars and growing. I don’t think Tish’s answer was good enough for me.

    TOM McCarthy - I can’t find a contact phone number for Driver Tom on his own website. In talking to him I got the sense he was not into computers.

    Anna Moeller - In my opinion Anna is too close to the Steffens, both Councilman John Steffen who is running for reelection and Councilman Steffen’s wife, lawyer Kerry Kelly who back in 2004 was quoted as saying regarding the U46 boundary issue

    “It’s great if the city is on board, but we’re still here if they’re not on board,” said Elgin resident and U-46 parent Kerry Kelly, who is not a potential litigant but supports the parents’ efforts.

    (The parents efforts have cost U46 taxpayers 8.6 million dollars and growing, as well as teachers, and staff jobs at U46. What a thing for Councilman John Steffen’s wife Kerry Kelly to support.)

    Read the entire U46 Daily Herald article at

    http://www.isbe.net/news/2004/newsclips/040716.htm#el

    Also read my probing questions on her profile page on elginite.org

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/12/anna-moeller-city-council-candidate/

    Please read her responses to her questions to be fair and decide for yourself.

    Manfred Czymmek - No reason other than I have some stronger feelings for the three Curtin, Robins, and Shaw.

    Incumbent Councilman John Steffen - elginite profile at -

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/03/01/john-steffen-city-council-candidate/

    Please read Steffen’s profile at above web address as I go into more detail why I can’t vote for him.

    I personally like Councilman Steffen but because of his relationship with his lawyer wife Kerry Kelly who was quoted in 2004 in the Daily Herald article Elgin Won’t Sue U46 as saying -

    “It’s great if the city is on board, but we’re still here if they’re not on board,” said Elgin resident and U-46 parent Kerry Kelly, who is not a potential litigant but supports the parents’ efforts.

    I can’t vote for him. I want leadership that will diffuse talk of litigation and if his own wife is talking like that back in 2004 he needs to go.

    Incumbent Councilman Mike Warren - I personally like Mike but I think he is a puppet for Mayor Schock and the incident with the senior citizens center that you can read more about at the web address below is enough to vote him out. Story is called Tempers Flair at City Council Meeting.

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110323/news/703239758/

    I hope to share some more thoughts on why I will vote for Councilman Dave Kaptain for Mayor and many of the reasons why I will not vote for Mayor Schock in the future.

    This is one of the most important elections in recent history and I urge everyone to PLEASE TAKE THE SHORT TIME IT TAKES TO VOTE.

    If you took the time to read my entire post here I sincerely appreciate it.

    I have lived in Elgin from 1971 as an 18 year old to my present age of 57. I have seen a lot and I really like Elgin and all the people in Elgin despite our differences we may have including all the candidates.

    Thank you!

  5. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    Common Sense Clarence Hayward’s Choice for Mayor of Elgin

    The last election in 2009 I made it a goal of mine to help defeat three of the four informal majority who along with the Mayor at one time were seriously considering hiring the Futterman Law Firm for $44,000 regarding the U46 new boundaries. The cost of this class action lawsuit that started with litigation talk back in 2004 is currently 8.6 million dollars and growing. Incumbents Walters, Figueroa, and one time Councilwoman Rodgers all lost despite having a total of about 33 years of council experience among them.

    Now we can send a message of accountability to all local politicians that you should not be loose with your words and that we want leaders who will do their best to stop foolish litigation talk by voting Mayor Schock out of office for his role in this mess. Please see July 2004 Daily Herald Article Elgin Won’t Sue U46 for a refresher on what went down and was said by whom at –

    http://www.isbe.net/news/2004/newsclips/040716.htm#el

    This fiasco of poor leadership alone is enough to vote the Mayor out of office in my opinion. We have been Schocked enough. It is time for change.

    I will vote for Councilman Dave Kaptain to be our next Mayor of Elgin.

  6. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    Common Sense Clarence Hayward’s Choices for Elgin City Councilman

    My first choice for Elgin City Councilman is Mike Curtin whose profile at elginite is –

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/01/28/michael-curtin-city-council-candidate/

    I am impressed with his tenacity and persistence in going up against the city regarding the old sewers in some sections of town that allow raw sewage to back up in citizens basement drains when it rains to hard. He has a scientific education. Check out his comments regarding the sewers at –

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/03/25/mayor-neglected-basic-infrastructure/

    This above web address is also another outstanding example of why to vote Mayor Schock out of office for worrying more about luxuries and passing buy a basic service for many of a working sewer that only flows one way when it rains.

    My second choice for Elgin City Councilman is Mike Robins. His elginite profile is at –

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/18/mike-robins-city-council-candidate-2/

    Mike says - I am an outsider, free from the constraints of connections developed through the years with the powers that be. I am an independent thinker. I have more than two decades of experience in public service. I know how to work with a diverse group of people in almost any situation. I know from first hand experience if you contact him he follows up with you. He wants to serve Elgin and will do his first term without taking salary or benefits.

    My third choice for Elgin City Councilman is Toby Shaw – elginte profile at –

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/17/toby-shaw-city-council-candidate/

    Toby says in his profile - Hard work, determination, loyalty, and faith were the building blocks of life that I learned while growing up on our farm. They have served me well through life thus far and I believe they set me apart from the other candidates running for city council. Elgin needs leaders that will not waver in hard times or unwilling to challenge the status quo, I am that leader.

    I urge everyone to get out and vote. Your vote can make a positive difference.

    Thank You!

    Common Sense Clarence Hayward

  7. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    Common Sense Clarence Hayward’s Reasons for Not Voting for Council Candidates

    I would not vote for Councilman John Steffen because of his relationship to his wife, lawyer Kerry Kelly. Back in 2004 she was quoted in the Daily Herald article Elgin Won’t Sue U46 as saying –

    “It’s great if the city is on board, but we’re still here if they’re not on board,” said Elgin resident and U-46 parent Kerry Kelly, who is not a potential litigant but supports the parents’ efforts.

    Read the whole article at –

    http://www.isbe.net/news/2004/newsclips/040716.htm#el

    The now class action lawsuit has cost U46 taxpayers 8.6 million dollars and a number of U46 jobs.

    I would not vote for Anna Moeller because I think she is too close to the Steffen’s. Please read Anna Moeller’s bio at below address to see me trying to be Detective Columbo with her.

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/12/anna-moeller-city-council-candidate/

    I would not vote for Councilman Mike Warren because I think he is a puppet of the Mayor. For more information on what I consider his misdeeds along with the Mayor go to the Daily Herald article Tempers Flair at Council Meeting.

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110323/news/703239758/

  8. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    I would not vote for Tish Powell – elginite profile at –

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/08/tish-powell-city-council-candidate/

    I don’t like her answer to question number 2 that I asked her in the profile –

    Clarence,

    Unfortunately, I really can’t give you a yes or no answer to the second question. While I agree that the cost to the school district and ultimately the tax payers is substantial, these families, just like anyone else, have the right to seek legal recourse if they feel aggrieved. Do I wish the situation could have been resolved outside of going to court to avoid racking up these legal bills? Absolutely! However, that was not my call. Ultimately it is the courts, not us, who will decide who is right.
    I would not vote for Tom McCarthy because I can’t even find a phone number on his web sight. Before one of the forum’s started I told him this and I also got the impression he is not into computers.
    I would not vote for Shane Nowak because I asked him a couple questions to respond to and he never did. When I asked him why he said he was busy.
    I have no particular reason why I would not vote for Manfred Czymmek.
    I like all the candidates including the Mayor on a personal level. Having been a resident of Elgin since 1971 I have to try and do my best to elect whom I think will best move the city forward or catch it up in the areas that it might be backward due to previous councils.
    Thanks for reading!
    Common Sense Clarence Hayward

  9. Change says:

    All I will say is do your homework. There are a lot of opinions in the comments on here and little facts to back them up. Talk to the candidates yourself. Be an educated voter. The Elginite has done a terrific job gathering questionaires. They are not the only source for information. Read up on other publications as well.

    Happy voting!

  10. Bill says:

    Somebody asked her on her Facebook page: “Do you consider yourself a Democrat or Republican? I really don’t like voting for people blindly. Do you support our mayor?”

    Her response: “The city council race is nonpartisan. I am Independent. As for the question on the mayor, I am not sure what you are looking for. I have worked with both Councilman Kaptain and Mayor Schock in the past and am prepared to work with either of them in the future should I be elected to the city council.”

    Clarence I don’t think you will ever get a yes, no or any straight answer out of Tish Powell.

    • Change says:

      So the only choice is Dem or Rep? Overcompartmentalize much? Nothing ever fits into a nice neat box, nor should it. And even if a box is declared, it does not mean they follow the Dem or Rep platform to the T. I find the designation irrelevant.

  11. Dave Reinert says:

    CH, all of your post are repeats, repeats, repeats and boring, boring, boring. Give us a break and post something new. Maybe something about cats and dogs. Maybe something about you and your taxpayer agenda for the next 10 years. We all have read everyyhing we need to know about all candidates running in the election. Must we be burden with more of the same? What are you going to post after the election. Why don’t you post something spiritual about Lent and the Easter season.

    • Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

      For the undecided voters I give you my choices for Mayor and City Council with explanations why above in about three posts.

      Please consider voting Councilman Dave Kaptain for Mayor.

      For Councilman please consider voting for Mike Curtin, Mike Robins, and Toby Shaw.

      Thinking of voting for someone differenct. Please see my posts above as to why I won’t vote for any of the others.

  12. Combos says:

    You have GOT to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In my mailbox today came two political mailers. One from mayor Schock and the other from council candidate Anna Moeller. How’s THAT for a coincidence? Not only were they sent at the same time to arrive at the same time but the same postage permit number and the same style font for the addressing is used!!!!

    Shame on you, Anna Moeller. WHO do you think you are fooling? If you’re not strong enough to be on your own and show some kind of independence enough without Schock getting his hooks into you, you don’t deserve to run and you sure as the devil do not deserve anyone’s vote. I thought you were going to be independent?

    I barely know much about Kaptain but after I saw what happened with Schock and Warren on the Senior Assoc. discussion, he’s got to be better than Schock just because he’s a helluva lot more honest! My Lord, how many puppets does Schock want?? And today it looks like Moeller is coming along. I cannot imagine what a council of Schock, Steffen, Gilliam, Moeller and Warren will do to this city. I’m going to have to pick someone who isn’t dirty now and that’s not the way voting should be! I sure wish Kaptain would not have decided to run for Mayor.

    • Crysta says:

      I got the same pairing of mailings Saturday, and lucky me, two copies of each! I noticed the timing and also the permit number. No thank you.

      • Elgin Fact Checker says:

        Crysta, you are hilarious and I thought smarter that that. Some conspiracy theory because a political mailer has the same bulk permit indetia? Most printing/mail house companies, especially those that do work in the political field, have their own bulk mail permit account that will be on every type of political mailer they produce for all kinds of candidates in all geographic areas in the state/region. This does not mean they are necessarily working together.

        It is obvious you are a Kaptain supporter. Good luck with that. Dave Kaptain sold his soul to the hate mongers of AFLA and Council Prigge’s simple minded team. Crysta, are you a hater too? Again, I thought you are smarter than that. Dave is a good and honorable guy but such a disappointment to his pandering to the haters just to get elected. Supposedly David White and Doug Heaton called him up to yell at him for his performance at their AFLA forum and now Dave is telling everyone who knows AFLA is a hate group about this….trying to play both sides. Yet he won’t public distance himself from that hate group.

        And Anna Moeller is one of the best candidates running for office. She will be an incredible asset to the council. She is a well educated working mother that has given back to her community. I wish I could say the same for your candidate, Mike Curtin. As many have stated that would know his tenure on the Elgin Community Network’s board of directors leaves a lot to be desired. Has enthusiasm, yes. Needs to have more realistic expectations, very much so.

        • Crysta says:

          It’s been relatively transparent that Schock is supporting Moeller, and the timing of their mailers was just amusing. I also got two copies of Warren’s mailer today.

          I’m not thrilled with either candidate. Schock has made it very clear that his strategy is to get a council that can count to four, and that means Warren, Steffan and Moeller. He said as much during some of the forums. Kaptain has his weaknesses, but at least we have a competitive race this time around.

          Mike Curtin is well-educated and would bring solid scientific training to the council - something we need, especially as the city continues to do study after study based on poor research methods. Those conducting the studies know what the city hopes to see as a result, and the research bias reflects that. Plus, Mike has been very engaged in the community through a number of projects. Settling for “realistic expectations” can be limiting I want someone willing to think outside the box.

          I like Anna Moeller. She’s bright and has some great experience.

          Remember, we get three votes for council.

          • RS says:

            you get 3 votes but you have to vote strategically or else one vote cancels out another. voting for warren, moeller or steffen cancels out votes for curtin, etc.

          • Crysta says:

            Exactly. And figuring out that strategy is where the fun lies.

        • One Vote says:

          Tapping phone lines there, FactChecker? You sure know a lot of inside info.

          • Elgin Fact Checker says:

            One Vote…..people are on to you….you are not very smart….you have been posting so much crap on Elginite lately that you’ve become sloppy and have slipped up. We know who you are. Enjoy your time in the bi-monthly spotlight because it will be short lived. And then you will be the same as the bitter Tom Sandor or Terry Gavin. Enjoy spending tax payer dollars going out to eat for your “meetings.”

          • One Vote says:

            No, I think people are on to you. You call folks “hate mongers” and think that settles the issue. But there are real problems on the table here and name-calling only exposes your lack of solutions.
            I’m deducing that you think I’m either Prigge or Dunne. Check your facts; I’m neither.

          • Tom Sandor says:

            Fact Checker or whatever sock puppet name you are using today. Its easy to take cheap shots behind a wall of internet anonymity. Your posts reveal your agenda under the guise of “fact checking”. If you have an opinion, don’t hide behind a sock puppet, reveal your identity or if my suspicions are correct you do not have the guts or credibility to reveal who you are. I can assure you that I am not bitter, as unlike many I had the opportunity and privilege to serve on the council. I can also assure you that it is not pleasant to lose an election, which is something you’ll never know about since sock puppets cant run for office. If you have a “beef” with me, do it face to face.

          • terrygavin says:

            Fact Checker how nice you spelled my name right now why not be a good little cheap shotter & tell us who you really are! At least I’m not afraid or too bitter to put my name on my words how about you! Unless you know me personally I’d suggest you get to know me before throwing my name around in negative posts. I’ve been attacked by much better people then you. If you wish to speak w/ me call me I’m in the phone book! You sir/madam sound like the bitter one…

  13. Truth in Elgin says:

    This bears repeating over and over: Recived 2 mailers today ” One from mayor Schock and the other from council candidate Anna Moeller. How’s THAT for a coincidence? Not only were they sent at the same time to arrive at the same time but the same postage permit number and the same style font for the addressing is used!!!!”

    • One Vote says:

      I don’t know about you, but my copy of the Moeller mailer was poorly printed. The color registration was way off. One side was a total blur. The only thing it would sell was reading glasses.

      • Elgin Fact Checker says:

        Crysta, you are hilarious and I thought smarter that that. Some conspiracy theory because a political mailer has the same bulk permit indetia? Most printing/mail house companies, especially those that do work in the political field, have their own bulk mail permit account that will be on every type of political mailer they produce for all kinds of candidates in all geographic areas in the state/region. This does not mean they are necessarily working together.

        It is obvious you are a Kaptain supporter. Good luck with that. Dave Kaptain sold his soul to the hate mongers of AFLA and Council Prigge’s simple minded team. Crysta, are you a hater too? Again, I thought you are smarter than that. Dave is a good and honorable guy but such a disappointment to his pandering to the haters just to get elected. Supposedly David White and Doug Heaton called him up to yell at him for his performance at their AFLA forum and now Dave is telling everyone who knows AFLA is a hate group about this….trying to play both sides. Yet he won’t public distance himself from that hate group.

        And Anna Moeller is one of the best candidates running for office. She will be an incredible asset to the council. She is a well educated working mother that has given back to her community. I wish I could say the same for your candidate, Mike Curtin. As many have stated that would know his tenure on the Elgin Community Network’s board of directors leaves a lot to be desired. Has enthusiasm, yes. Needs to have more realistic expectations, very much so.

        • One Vote says:

          The world according to Elgin Fact Checker
          Crysta is stupid. “…thought [you were] smarter than that.”
          Dave Kaptain. “sold his soul to the hate mongers of AFLA.”
          David White is therefore a hate monger and a “Pathetic bitter old man.”
          Doug Heaton is therefore a hate monger and a “Pathetic bitter old man.”
          John Prigge has a “simple minded team.”
          AFLA is a “hate group.”
          Mike Curtin is not “well educated,” nor has he “given back to [his] community.” And he “Needs to have more realistic expectations.”
          One Vote is “not very smart” and posts “crap.”
          Tom Sandor is “bitter.”
          Terry Gavin is “bitter.”

          I thought a progressive person like Fact Checker would be opposed to bullying.

        • One Vote says:

          I left out one more Elgin Fact Checker nugget:
          “Crysta, are you a hater too?”
          Keep it classy, my friend. Just like the office where you work.

  14. LFG-A says:

    hummmm… Jan. 2011 ad for Ed Schock’s legacy much?

    As presented to the International City/County Management Association (ICMA) #Elgin - don’t get me wrong, we have some great info and speakers in this promo for City management of Elgin, as it should be… yet………

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kAHkw5YUl4

    • Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

      The video ends with the narrator saying “Elgin, a forward looking community….”

      Perhaps for full disclosure the narrator should have added -

      “Elgin, a forward looking community with many older sewers that still flow two ways in a heavy rain in parts of the city thanks in part to the lack of basic services provided under Mayor Schock.”

      see this address below for more on Elgin’s infrastructure -

      http://elginite.org/blog/2011/03/25/mayor-neglected-basic-infrastructure/

      The citizens who have to clean up sewer water crap after a heavy rain can take consolation in the fact that after they clean up their basement and take a shower themselves they have a number of multi million dollar golf courses they can go out and play 18 holes if they have any energy left after cleaning that sewer water crap from their basement that unfortunately flows two ways in a real heavy rain thanks to in my opinion the misplaced focus on luxuries before basics for the City of Elgin under Mayor Schock’s administration.

      Or they can go to Judson University after cleaning up and play catch on the $711,000 city provided state of the art softball field we gave the Bandits to play on. This field has artificial dirt that dries in five minutes after a rain while it takes some citizen’s hours to mop up their basements.

      The citizens are still in Elgin paying their taxes for the basic city service of a sewer that SHOULD only flow one way but the Bandits left Elgin for another city in spite of the fact the city gave them that $711,000 soft ball field to play ball on.

      How forward thinking is that?

      If I were an umpire for Mayor’s and how they play the Mayor game I would throw Mayor Schock out of the game.

      Voter’s of Elgin you are the umpires and can throw Mayor Schock out of the ballpark so to speak at the election booth.

      Please consider voting for Councilman Dave Kaptain for Mayor and Mike Curtain,
      Mike Robins, and Toby Shaw for Councilman.

      I have lived in Elgin since 1971 and I believe we have a better shot at change for the better with these men representing us.

      I like Mayor Schock personally and all the other candidates but up above a ways in this thread I give reasons why I won’t vote for the others.

      Thanks for reading.

      Have you been Schocked enough lately.

    • Craig says:

      How about this for a drinking game:

      Watch this video. Every time you spot an establishment in Elgin’s “thriving” downtown featured in the video that has since gone out of business, take a drink.

      Now I just need something to soak up all this booze…I think I’ll go to Quizno’s…OH WAIT!

      • David Reinert says:

        How about businesses living all over Elgin? Elgin has never supported new business. Every business that is new, last a few months and closes it’s doors. I blame that on the people from Elgin. I wonder how many Elgin people have never been at the boat. Elgin people just don’t support Elgin businesses. It has been that way for years and years. Unless its free, Elgin people stay at home.

      • terrygavin says:

        Funny but not so funny Craig… After all the city programs & incentive money for at least 20 yrs. the downtown is struggling to survive. It’s time for new ideas not the same old Schock, Chamber of Council, DNA ideas that haven’t worked & won’t work. The current plan is to just keep spending money downtown on beautification, bike paths, city owned parks, etc. When is enough enough? Vote for Kaptain on April 5!

  15. David Reinert says:

    ETC (Elgin Trades Council) endorsed Schock, Warren, Steffen, and Moeller in today’s Herald. Now, here is a creditable endorsement worth following by the voter. Who else in Elgin has the respect as an organization chartered in 1927. I commend them for stepping up to the plate with such a powerful recommendation. They know who will continue to make Elgin a greater city. They have a powerful voice in helping get candidates elected to office. (Look in section 3 page 4 in today’s Herald.) They don’t discriminate. Their for all working men and women. Many of the people could learn an excellent lesson from ETC. Your post tell us who your are and where you stand on union issues. If the shoe fits, wear it! You know who you are and where you stand.

    • One Vote says:

      Now there’s a headline: Union endorses far left candidates.
      Captain Obvious strikes again.

    • David Reinert says:

      ETC right on target…

    • Todd Martin says:

      I’m not finding anything about the endorsement on the Daily Herald’s online website. But, I believe DR (why would he lie?)

      Before anyone gets too excited about the Elgin Trades Council endorsement of the incumbents: Schock, Warren, and Steffen… please note that the City of Elgin just passed the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance” on March 9th. This basically requires the city to only accept bids from contractors that use union labor.

      I find the timing of the vote (less than 1 month before the election) to be quite convenient for the Mayor and the councilmen up for re-election.

      Personally, I would prefer that union shops compete for business on an equal footing because otherwise the City will end up paying more for work it wants done.

      • David Reinert says:

        You mention the city passed City of Elgin just passed the “Responsible Bidder Ordinance” on March 9th. This basically requires the city to only accept bids from contractors that use union labor. Was the vote 7-0 as usual. If it was Kaptain must have voted in favor. How come he did not get the endorsement of the unions? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. The endorsement was in an ad in the Daily Herald. I bet those Kaptain supporters are made as h..l. Schock has got all of his horses lined up in a roll and his campaign is taking off. To bad Dude.

        • Todd Martin says:

          DR, while the March 9th minutes haven’t been released, the video shows a 7-0 vote in favor of “Responsible Bidder” ordinance with zero discussion.

          I never stated that this vote was a reason for Kaptain versus Schock. I am simply pointing out why I think the ETC is in favor of the incumbents. I don’t agree with any candidate 100%; for instance, I was against the Ballistic Armored Tactical Transport purchase (also a 7-0 vote).

          I don’t think any of the candidates or council members are willing to “take on the Union”. If you consider pandering to constituencies with special legislation just before the election to be “good strategy”, then you favor personal interest over what is good for Elgin. That’s a moral choice I don’t agree with.

          Oh, and I’ve never been a reporter and I am old enough to vote (my children tell me so at least). :)

          • David Reinert says:

            You don’t want to mess around with the Unions these days. Just look to the North and you will know why. I want them on my side. Wisconsin GOP must not care. They made a big mistake. It is considered good politics to bring these thing up for a vote at election time. Get all you can from your political actions. The council knew what they were doing. Those running need the Union vote on april 5th.

  16. David Reinert says:

    One Vote, these are all independent candidates. The left and right reffer to Democrates and Republicans. Those of us who know a little about politics found that our in Politics 101. You had better go defend yourself with the people who post knowing a bit about you. If I were a candidate i would love to have the Union vote on my side. Of course, that would be a “conflict of interest” in your little mindset. Your ticked-off because the Union has endorsed Shock, Warren, Steffen, and Moeller. The Union is just a little smarter and wiser. They can see a good future for Elgin withe the people they endorsed. Sorry dude!

    • One Vote says:

      …and I suppose you believe that non-partisan candidates have no ideology? Look at who the city council members and mayor have endorsed in the past. Look at the yard signs and the bumper stickers.
      I’m glad a smart guy like you can assure us that there is no right or left in this election.
      I’ll give you that Kaptain and Schock are both liberals. That race will be decided on Schock’s record and whatever union votes he can get.
      I’m guessing the union bosses thought an SEIU endorsement might be a bit obvious, so they called their pals at ETC.
      Give me a break…non-partisan.

      • David Reinert says:

        One Vote, the legal definition for the city election is a non-partisan. If you have a different opinion based on you narrow mindset, so be it. If you want to introduce partisan into this election I guess it is your right. Most people know it is a non-prtisan election. Why don’t you admit it is your mind going south once again. I’m getting to feel sorry for you…poor guy.

  17. Combos says:

    Fact Checker: Wake upI The same paper stock. The same postage permit. Arriving the same day? Schock’s wife gathering signatures for her nominating petition? How many Schock signs are in yards WITHOUT Moeller signs in Elgin? If you don’t want to wake up, don’t criticize others who see the obvious. The loser in this partnership is Moeller. A candidate who needs a big brother does not sit well with voters, especially females. Some independence she’ll bring.

    Sorry, but your Anna has no platform and is full with chatter. She wants a diverse community? She’s got diversity in her own neighborhood! Just look at the house on Douglas and River Bluff that had an illegal alien crash into it! How’s that diversity plan workin’ for ya?

    She was shamed off of this blog weeks ago because she will not answer questions about illegals. I suspect it was Schock who told her to run and hide from the public. Sugar daddy Ed will take care of it.

    “Incredible asset to the council”? If she’s elected with Warren then Schock will have a male AND female puppet! Now THAT’S what I call diversity! Is Curtin a great choice? Who knows? He doesn’t appear to be for sale, at least. NEWSFLASH: There are many “well educated working mother(s)” that have “given back to” their community. That doesn’t make them good politicians nor does it solely qualify them to run for public office. If it did, we would see someone like Moeller NOT needing a sugar daddy to help her.

  18. Combos says:

    I’m so into this election. I don’t know why for sure but maybe it’s because of the arrogance of mayor Schock and Anna Moeller with this mailer thing. Mike Warren and the mayor really insulted me with playing politics at their council meeting. But what is the solution, really? Who would be a better choice for councilman that Moeller and Warren? ANYONE new!

    I don’t know John Steffen, Mike Curtin or Tish Powell or Toby Shaw but I don’t see anything dishonest in them and that is an important core quality to me. The others, Robins, McCarthy, Czymmek, Nowak are probably honest but clueless on how to serve people on government issues. I am finding a chuckle when I hear Mike Robins proudly say he will call people back in 3 days! 3 days? Like that would be acceptable? Robins is perceptive on one issue and that is when he said Warren has never voted against the mayor. That’s unreal!

    Dave Kaptain gives me the impression he is honest and does not lie. John Steffen has done nothing to lose his seat. Mike Warren cannot stand on his own two feet and is too close to the mayor. Anna Moeller would be another version of Warren by owing her political life to the mayor. I will gladly take an honest person who can learn the ropes over a dishonest person or one who can’t think on their own two feet.

    • One Vote says:

      Steffen’s got that NENA touch. His wife and Moeller are NENA leadership. If you think Ed recruited Moeller, you’ve got to believe Steffen had something to do with it.
      As for voting record, Steffen has seldom stood up to Schock.
      Don’t sell Nowak short. He’s quiet but he’s smart. If Schock falls, he’ll be fine with Mayor Kaptain.
      Man, the more I write about these guys, the more I wish we had more to choose from.

    • Mary says:

      I truly enjoy Michael Robins’ statements as being an independent thinker and person. My husband and I had an opportunity to speak with him again recently. He came across as focused, with a plan of action, and didn’t digress into a repertoire of platitudes. Next to most of the others, this was refreshirng. We want to hear “How” to accomplish what needs to be done…not a repetition of just “What” needs to be done.
      Obviously promoting new business in Elgin is necessary. Professionally Michael Robins’ statement of hiring legal citizens is paramount to using our tax dollars correctly for incentives to business.
      His approach to crime reduction is impressive, and the issue of civil gang injunctions to curb their activity is much needed, which others called a witch hunt during the last election.
      We also appreciate his foresight in speaking out on frivolous city spending and the need for community involvement.
      Combos, perhaps your perception, is clueless on Govt. issues and the fact that this candidate can make a clear diffrence with several issues.

      • Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

        Mike Robins is our man for Elgin City Council. Also I would encourage voting for Mike Curtin, and Toby Shaw.

        Councilman Dave Kaptain is much more transparent and has a better understanding of conflict of interests than the Mayor in my opinion.

        Have you been Schocked enough the last 12 years or 20 when you count his councilman experience.

        Councilman Dave Kaptain for Mayor.

    • Anonymous says:

      Combos- Are you John Prigge? Just curious.

  19. Combos says:

    Losing one election can make one bitter. Losing THREE elections in a handful of years guarantees it and should make one borderline suicidal.

  20. David Reinert says:

    Todd Martin. Was he a former reporter? Just wondering because he blogs like one. Is he old enough to vote?

  21. cruexxxx says:

    I just received my Mike Warren mailer today. There is not one mention of anything he has accomplished in the past two years, just dreams and general political niceities. Two years worth of nothing except say yes or no to whatever Schock has said. Can anyone tell me what Mike Warren has done in his two years? I seriously do not know.

  22. LFG-A says:

    FYI, There’s a good Facebook question floating out there that’s gaining some momentum/discussion - “Who should be the next Mayor of Elgin? (Election Apr. 5)”

    If you are a Facebooker - please click, Vote, Share with friends and let’s see how many Elginites will respond by Apr. 5th!

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=question&id=10150154936929201

  23. Combos says:

    We went to the library forum last night to listen to the city council candidates. People, we are going to have a real problem in this city of Elgin if we do not vote for someone other than Moeller and Warren. They are not only two robots created by mayor Schock, they live in another world !!!!

    I was repulsed by the comments of Anna Moeller on the illegal alien question. She spoke the unspeakable when she said the illegal alien problem in Elgin is “overblown” and it’s existence is “fear mongering”. She insinuated that she is happy with the fact that only 5% of the people arrested in Elgin are illegals. She went on to say that 90% of that 5% are “just” arrested for having no driver’s license. Moeller also said that most of Elgin’s criminal activity is committed by non-illegals, too! NO KIDDING! THAT’S BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE LIVING IN ELGIN ARE LEGAL CITIZENS, COOKIE!!!!!

    MAYBE she wasn’t home when the illegal alien living in her neighborhood drove his car into the 2nd-floor of her neighbor’s house. MAYBE her children weren’t playing in the yard when the illegal alien in her neighborhood was arrested recently for child molestation. Moeller also said that illegals are a vulnerable group of Elgin that is being targeted. Moeller and Warren also did not completely answer the question about their top 5 campaign donors and amounts.

    I do not yet know who I’m going to vote for but I know it will not be Moeller and Warren. At this point, just about anyone else independent of Schock, except Tom McCarthy, would be a better choice. McCarthy acted like a clueless clown whose nominating petitions should be looked at. He tried to make the forum a sideshow.

    • One Vote says:

      She’s giving the pat NENA answer about illegal aliens. Alfred E. Newman would be proud.
      That aside, Moeller is a professional bureaucrat. She runs an association for McHenry County government agencies. Do we really want her watching over city staff? I’ll take a regular citizen any day over someone like that. They think like we do.

    • David Reinert says:

      As usual, diarrhea of the mouth. For the last 30 days I have been reading the post from this indidivual (he/she) with less and less respect for the content. I wonder sometime if Elgin is the city being discussed. I’m jjust glad that the election is next week. Maybe this person will go away. I would vote for any other person who has not been endorsed (for what its worth) by this poster.

    • Anonymous says:

      Combos- Are you John Prigge? Just curious.

  24. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    Common Sense Clarence Hayward’s Choice for Mayor of Elgin

    The last election in 2009 I made it a goal of mine to help defeat three of the four informal majority who along with the Mayor at one time were seriously considering hiring the Futterman Law Firm for $44,000 regarding the U46 new boundaries. The cost of this class action lawsuit that started with litigation talk back in 2004 is currently 8.6 million dollars and growing. Incumbents Walters, Figueroa, and one time Councilwoman Rodgers all lost despite having a total of about 33 years of council experience among them.

    Now we can send a message of accountability to all local politicians that you should not be loose with your words and that we want leaders who will do their best to stop foolish litigation talk by voting Mayor Schock out of office for his role in this mess. Please see July 2004 Daily Herald Article Elgin Won’t Sue U46 for a refresher on what went down and was said by whom at –

    http://www.isbe.net/news/2004/newsclips/040716.htm#el

    This fiasco of poor leadership alone is enough to vote the Mayor out of office in my opinion. We have been Schocked enough. It is time for change.

    I will vote for Councilman Dave Kaptain to be our next Mayor of Elgin.

  25. David Reinert says:

    Extra…Extra read all about! Clarence Hayward is going to vote for Dave Kaptain. I know it because he posted this fact over 50 times on this board. Big Deal!

  26. Paul says:

    Who gets the convicted felon endorsement?

  27. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    I don’t know but it isn’t any big deal to me.

  28. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    I would not vote for Tish Powell – elginite profile at –

    http://elginite.org/blog/2011/02/08/tish-powell-city-council-candidate/

    I don’t like her answer to question number 2 that I asked her in the profile –

    Clarence,

    Unfortunately, I really can’t give you a yes or no answer to the second question. While I agree that the cost to the school district and ultimately the tax payers is substantial, these families, just like anyone else, have the right to seek legal recourse if they feel aggrieved. Do I wish the situation could have been resolved outside of going to court to avoid racking up these legal bills? Absolutely! However, that was not my call. Ultimately it is the courts, not us, who will decide who is right.
    I would not vote for Tom McCarthy because I can’t even find a phone number on his web sight. Before one of the forum’s started I told him this and I also got the impression he is not into computers.
    I would not vote for Shane Nowak because I asked him a couple questions to respond to and he never did. When I asked him why he said he was busy.
    I have no particular reason why I would not vote for Manfred Czymmek.
    I like all the candidates including the Mayor on a personal level. Having been a resident of Elgin since 1971 I have to try and do my best to elect whom I think will best move the city forward or catch it up in the areas that it might be backward due to previous councils.
    Thanks for reading!
    Common Sense Clarence Hayward

  29. Common Sense Clarence Hayward says:

    Councilman Dave Kaptain for Mayor of Elgin.

    For Elgin City Councilman I am voting for

    Mike Curtin, Mike Robins, and Toby Shaw.

    Thanks to my wife, son, and mother in law trusting my choices I in essence have not one but four votes. Thank You!

    P.S. My son doesn’t take my advice in national elections.