Anyway, we are talking about “the kaptains” as in Dave and Sandy, right? As for them being “proletariat” or “working class,” it has been awhile since I’ve paid attention to Marxist class labels, but it was always my understanding that the “proletariat” was more blue-collar than blue blazer. With his college degree, slacks and blazer ensembles, pruney expression and “professorial” hairstyle (i.e., bald), Dave the Chemist is never going to be mistaken for Joe the Plumber. Of course, if Jessica is extending “proletariat” to anyone who must “sell their labor to make a living” I guess we can include all those toiling masses at Goldman Sachs, too. What this all means in respect to Walmart’s arrival is a bit uncertain, though Dave always has seemed much more a Target than Walmart kinda guy.

Because I didn’t imply they were or weren’t.
Hitler was a low life proletariat too, prior to him being elected leader of the National Socialist party.

But nice try in attempting to co-opt the view that our elected representatives are working class too and thus justified in doing whatever they want because whatever they do, it is therefore in the interest of the working class. And for me to speak out against anything they do would be anti-populist.

“i’m curious how you believe he personally benefits from this. ”

Similar in the same manner Hitler personally benefited by exterminating Jews. The benefit is forcing his agenda down the throats of the Elgin public, regardless of what the public wants.

“if the benefit is reduced runoff water and all that goes with it, that would be good for anyone who lives in the area.”

Then don’t build the Walmart at all and we’ll all really benefit!!! Clearly, that is the logical extension of your argument. And I have no doubts, that is Kaptain’s true position. By himself he can’t stop it (yet) but he can throw up as many road blocks as possible, increase the costs, reduce the size, lower their profitablity, hoping that Walmart will throw in the towel, take their jobs and tax revenue and move elsewhere. 1 million additional dollars in tax revenue is chump change to Elgin!
If only our other government working class leaders wouldn’t sell out to the capitalist inerests!

This post will be a good test for the new purgatorium rule.

i’m talking about the word proletariat, and how it means people who must sell their labor to make a living.

i don’t “refuse” to spell out why i think your comment didn’t make sense. actually i think i made it quit clear–it doesn’t make sense to imply the kaptains are not working class.

i can comprehend “common thought.” you’re upset because you view dave kaptain (whose vote alone cannot pass anything, i might add) as forcing wal-mart to do something the city doesn’t do, which will hurt common folk. and you obviously think the kaptains are not common folk because…he’s on city council? i don’t know. you didn’t explain why.

i’m curious how you believe he personally benefits from this. if the benefit is reduced runoff water and all that goes with it, that would be good for anyone who lives in the area.

You are confusing communism with fascism.

“When you’re comments make no sense it discredits your arguments.”

Maybe. But given your already displayed ignorance, it is more likely your inability to comprehend common thought that prevents you from understanding my argument.
What specifically doesn’t make sense? That you refuse to say while criticising me for not making sense, is what truly doesn’t make sense.
Rather, you engage in your own liberal fascsim. You don’t speak one word on the issue at hand (new Walmart in Elgin). All you do is attack me with derogatory comments without providing ANY basis whatsoever for your derogatory comments. Who does that discredit!

if you want to criticize the factors surrounding wal-mart that’s fine, but when you’re comments make no sense it discredits your arguments.

If it weren’t for Kaptain, the store would probably already be open.

Ask Councilman Dave where he has his city of Elgin putting in pavers in parking lots and streets!
He doesn’t?

“Walmart has scaled back its store along 73 acres at the southwest corner of Randall and Bowes from 203,619 square feet to 177,557 square feet”

Maybe they’ll cut out the film department!

Who benefits and who is harmed in the scale back? Harmed: every person who will shop there. Benefit: Kaptain and his pukeGreen ilk shoving their fascist agenda down the throats of us lowlife proletariats.