Comments on: ECC referendum passes http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:51:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Paul http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47085 Paul Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:58:31 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47085 Now we will have 2 Public libraries being built at the same time in SW Elgin. Isn't that special! Create 4000 jobs! For that to be true the jobs are either part time, filled by non-union illegal immigrant workers, and/or no materials will used in construction. DO the math on 4000 workers times annual construction wages. All costs stay within our community! Half the costs will be material. All the material will be manufactured in our community? You either believe I'm an idiot or those making that claim are idiots. I'll leave it open that I'm an idiot - all you have to do is prove that all the construction material will be manufactured within the ECC district. How many other lies were told by ECC proponents? Current ECC library is 800 sf? 20ft by 40 ft! About the size of my living room and kitchen combined! No, the ECC library is considerably much larger than that. Spare no lie in getting taxes raised. 'Be civil' Civility is in the eye of the beholder. What does it say about the state of civility when outright lies are deemed civil while denuncation of those outright lies are deemed uncivil? Now we will have 2 Public libraries being built at the same time in SW Elgin. Isn’t that special!
Create 4000 jobs! For that to be true the jobs are either part time, filled by non-union illegal immigrant workers, and/or no materials will used in construction. DO the math on 4000 workers times annual construction wages.
All costs stay within our community! Half the costs will be material. All the material will be manufactured in our community? You either believe I’m an idiot or those making that claim are idiots. I’ll leave it open that I’m an idiot - all you have to do is prove that all the construction material will be manufactured within the ECC district.
How many other lies were told by ECC proponents? Current ECC library is 800 sf? 20ft by 40 ft! About the size of my living room and kitchen combined! No, the ECC library is considerably much larger than that. Spare no lie in getting taxes raised.

‘Be civil’

Civility is in the eye of the beholder.
What does it say about the state of civility when outright lies are deemed civil while denuncation of those outright lies are deemed uncivil?

]]> By: Dave Reinert http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47080 Dave Reinert Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:23:32 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47080 "I'm not concerned with your liking or disliking me... all I ask is that you respect me as a human being." Jakie Robinson told the USA this quote. I like it so much I say the same thing to you guys who need to respect your elders. “I’m not concerned with your liking or disliking me… all I ask is that you respect me as a human being.” Jakie Robinson told the USA this quote. I like it so much I say the same thing to you guys who need to respect your elders.

]]> By: Dave Reinert http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47079 Dave Reinert Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:11:25 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47079 The County Clerk has until April 21st to received all votes and count them before he certifies the winners including the ECC votes. The County Clerk has until April 21st to received all votes and count them before he certifies the winners including the ECC votes.

]]> By: rm http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47072 rm Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:45:21 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47072 Anybody else concerned that we are over one week past the election, and we're still waiting for all the votes to be counted? What's going on? Can someone explain why this is taking so long? Anybody else concerned that we are over one week past the election, and we’re still waiting for all the votes to be counted? What’s going on? Can someone explain why this is taking so long?

]]> By: Kurt http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47041 Kurt Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:19:36 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47041 Did Saul become paul? Did Saul become paul?

]]> By: Common Sense Clarence Hayward http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47034 Common Sense Clarence Hayward Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:46:33 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47034 If this is the Dave Reinert from Elgin Township days why don't you fill everyone in on your background with Elgin Township in the past? We have a tremendous amount of new people to Elgin and this would be a very beneficial history lesson. If this is the Dave Reinert from Elgin Township days why don’t you fill everyone in on your background with Elgin Township in the past?

We have a tremendous amount of new people to Elgin and this would be a very beneficial history lesson.

]]> By: Common Sense Clarence Hayward http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47033 Common Sense Clarence Hayward Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:42:05 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47033 Is this the Dave Reinert who in the past was suppose to be a good steward of our Elgin Township tax dollars or is this another Dave posting? Is this the Dave Reinert who in the past was suppose to be a good steward of our Elgin Township tax dollars or is this another Dave posting?

]]> By: Common Sense Clarence Hayward http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-47032 Common Sense Clarence Hayward Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:39:41 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-47032 I would have to think that the pennies a day that this referendum will cost us will be more than paid off in the fact that the local economy will be stimulated by many more jobs the referendum will produce and by the increased income that more nursing students etc. will have to pay for housing nearby. As I stated in other blogs in the past the pennies a day are not a cost but a positive investment that will increase demand for our nearby homes if you have the desire to sell. Someone who sells their home after the referendum improvements are in place will reap many times the small so stated "cost" of this referendum. Just like you can't put an actual dollar value on how the U46 class action lawsuit is depressing the value of our real estate with anyone who is an informed buyer you can't put a dollar value on how much home buyers with more income because of education or good jobs will have on our property values but I believe it will be there as they go through finishing with all the referendum items they plan to do. Thanks to all who had the common sense to come out and vote for this referendum. Common Sense Clarence Hayward - The Taxpayer's Watchdog I would have to think that the pennies a day that this referendum will cost us will be more than paid off in the fact that the local economy will be stimulated by many more jobs the referendum will produce and by the increased income that more nursing students etc. will have to pay for housing nearby. As I stated in other blogs in the past the pennies a day are not a cost but a positive investment that will increase demand for our nearby homes if you have the desire to sell. Someone who sells their home after the referendum improvements are in place will reap many times the small so stated “cost” of this referendum.

Just like you can’t put an actual dollar value on how the U46 class action lawsuit is depressing the value of our real estate with anyone who is an informed buyer you can’t put a dollar value on how much home buyers with more income because of education or good jobs will have on our property values but I believe it will be there as they go through finishing with all the referendum items they plan to do.

Thanks to all who had the common sense to come out and vote for this referendum.

Common Sense Clarence Hayward - The Taxpayer’s Watchdog

]]> By: RS http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-46994 RS Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:18:38 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-46994 <blockquote> Now, as suggested by others, we just need to keep an eye on how the college spends our cash. </blockquote> That's right. The Herald printed out all the donors to the ECC campaign, and it was an astonishing sight.

Now, as suggested by others, we just need to keep an eye on how the college spends our cash.

That’s right. The Herald printed out all the donors to the ECC campaign, and it was an astonishing sight.

]]> By: VoteLocal http://elginite.org/blog/2009/04/07/ecc-referendum-passes/#comment-46982 VoteLocal Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:19:40 +0000 http://elginite.org/?p=1736#comment-46982 I hear reason on both sides of this issue. Yes, we'll feel the two bucks or so a month because it's just part of our taxes. But let's get real. A) We're not paying now because we are living extravagently. We're paying because we lived in a dream before and thought we could cut taxes, go in debt, and still provide the services we expect of our government. We're reaping what we've sown. B) The upside here is that the money we give to ECC stays in our community (and, if you believe the college's research, gets multiplied by a factor of three). Unlike the national and statewide taxes, the money that goes to ECC stays in OUR community, benefits our students, pays our neighbors' salaries, and directly improves our own property values. C) It's starting to look like ECC has a national reputation for quality. I saw that USA Today picked one of their students as among the 20 best in the country last week. That has to be good for all of us. So, I think passing this referendum was the exception to the rule--a smart investment. Now, as suggested by others, we just need to keep an eye on how the college spends our cash. I hear reason on both sides of this issue. Yes, we’ll feel the two bucks or so a month because it’s just part of our taxes. But let’s get real. A) We’re not paying now because we are living extravagently. We’re paying because we lived in a dream before and thought we could cut taxes, go in debt, and still provide the services we expect of our government. We’re reaping what we’ve sown. B) The upside here is that the money we give to ECC stays in our community (and, if you believe the college’s research, gets multiplied by a factor of three). Unlike the national and statewide taxes, the money that goes to ECC stays in OUR community, benefits our students, pays our neighbors’ salaries, and directly improves our own property values. C) It’s starting to look like ECC has a national reputation for quality. I saw that USA Today picked one of their students as among the 20 best in the country last week. That has to be good for all of us. So, I think passing this referendum was the exception to the rule–a smart investment. Now, as suggested by others, we just need to keep an eye on how the college spends our cash.

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