Comments on: Pass the pit bull ban http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/ Fri, 18 May 2012 11:54:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: sky http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-55434 sky Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:40:42 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-55434 Hey joe, pit bulls are bred hunting dogs. They are not bred to kill. At least not humans or other dogs. they kill birds, deer, rabbit squirrels, and birds. They tend to have much energy and need a large place to run. The reason pit bulls attack people and dogs is their owners fault. Most Pitts live in cities where there is no land or yards to run on. So, with that energy, they take it on humans. My Pitts have a big yard, and can run a lot, So, when they come inside, they are tired, and don't harm anyone. See the difference between my pitts and city Pitts? I hope your mind turned around. sky P.S. I'm 11 and saying this calmly, your lashing out. Just think. A kid more mature than you. If there was a debate about Pitt bulls being banned, me against you, we both know who would win. Hey joe, pit bulls are bred hunting dogs. They are not bred to kill. At least not humans or other dogs. they kill birds, deer, rabbit squirrels, and birds. They tend to have much energy and need a large place to run. The reason pit bulls attack people and dogs is their owners fault. Most Pitts live in cities where there is no land or yards to run on. So, with that energy, they take it on humans. My Pitts have a big yard, and can run a lot, So, when they come inside, they are tired, and don’t harm anyone. See the difference between my pitts and city Pitts? I hope your mind turned around.

sky
P.S. I’m 11 and saying this calmly, your lashing out. Just think. A kid more mature than you. If there was a debate about Pitt bulls being banned, me against you, we both know who would win.

]]> By: me http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-49056 me Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:30:48 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-49056 So my question is since it is against state law for Elgin to pass the ban and are using home rule to get around it. Does that mean that they are giving up all state and federal funding for city projects and schools? Seems to me that if you want to a home rule city you should loose that funding. Just putting it out their. So my question is since it is against state law for Elgin to pass the ban and are using home rule to get around it. Does that mean that they are giving up all state and federal funding for city projects and schools? Seems to me that if you want to a home rule city you should loose that funding. Just putting it out their.

]]> By: joe http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-48558 joe Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:01:07 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-48558 own your pit bulls keep him contained!!! pits are bred to kill.. bird dogs are bred to hunt birds. heelers are bred to nip heels not to kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! own your pit bulls keep him contained!!! pits are bred to kill.. bird dogs are bred to hunt birds. heelers are bred to nip heels not to kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: The Elginite http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-72 The Elginite Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:11:00 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-72 Thank you to all who left comments about the pit bull ban. You raise sound points and your argument is well-reasoned. One of my concerns about pit bulls has to do with the disproportionate number of fatalities for which they are responsible. They may not be more likely to bite, but if they bite the statistics suggest that they are far more likely to kill. According to Wikipedia, in the period 1979-1996, pit bulls were responsible for almost a third of all fatal dog attacks. The next most-dangerous breed was responsible for only half as many attacks as pit bulls. I wouldn't agree with an outright ban that would deprive people of their pets, but the Elgin ordinance, as I understand it, would have banned new ownership and would not have affected existing owners. Since pit bull bans in other cities in the country have withstood court challenges, I don't think a pit bull ban in Elgin would violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. Thank you to all who left comments about the pit bull ban. You raise sound points and your argument is well-reasoned.

One of my concerns about pit bulls has to do with the disproportionate number of fatalities for which they are responsible. They may not be more likely to bite, but if they bite the statistics suggest that they are far more likely to kill. According to Wikipedia, in the period 1979-1996, pit bulls were responsible for almost a third of all fatal dog attacks.
The next most-dangerous breed was responsible for only half as many attacks as pit bulls.

I wouldn’t agree with an outright ban that would deprive people of their pets, but the Elgin ordinance, as I understand it, would have banned new ownership and would not have affected existing owners.

Since pit bull bans in other cities in the country have withstood court challenges, I don’t think a pit bull ban in Elgin would violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.

]]> By: Frankwolftown http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-71 Frankwolftown Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:12:00 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-71 I beg to differ. http://elginsuburbblog.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_elginsuburbblog_archive.html#114523676778963395 I beg to differ.
http://elginsuburbblog.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_elginsuburbblog_archive.html#114523676778963395

]]> By: Laura http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-70 Laura Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:22:00 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-70 While I understand what they're trying to accomplish with the ban, the Pit Bull breed isn't necessarily the problem. Ban Pit Bulls and the gang leaders and drug dealers will start raising another large and strong breed to be mean. While I understand what they’re trying to accomplish with the ban, the Pit Bull breed isn’t necessarily the problem.

Ban Pit Bulls and the gang leaders and drug dealers will start raising another large and strong breed to be mean.

]]> By: Anonymous http://elginite.org/blog/2006/04/13/pass-the-pit-bull-ban/#comment-69 Anonymous Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:59:00 +0000 http://elginite.org/blog/?p=216#comment-69 Elginite, You are sorely mistaken on this issue. We are not just talking about dogs here we are talking about a person's protected right to own property. The Constituion of the United States reads "No State shall…deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Our dogs are our property and they cannot be taken away from us legally unless it can be proven that they constitute a danger to the general public. Bully breeds and Rottweilers, breeds most often singled out for BSL, have not been proven to be any more dangerous than any other breed of dog. As such, BSL infringes on citizens’ equal protection rights. Further, because it is almost impossible to prove breed heredity, BSL also infringes on citizens’ due process rights. Every citizen has a right under the due process clause to attempt to affect the outcome of a municipal or state-imposed deprivation of property (in this case, citizens’ dogs). When BSL is imposed and the owner is penalized yet it cannot be determined that the dog is indeed the banned breed in question, the dog owner’s due process rights are infringed upon. My wife and I who are both residents of Elgin run the web site www.NoPitBullBans.com and we were at the council meeting this week, My wife has been in contact with councilmember Brenda Rodgers to try and work out a resonable law that will be fair to all dog owners in the city of Elgin. Illinois has recently propsed HB4238 which increases pentalities for dogs that bite or are deemed viscious. These bills help local municipalities with enforement of the state laws. This is important in Elgin since the Animal control officer is only part-time. This bill is currently awaiting the Governor's signature to become law. Lastly if you Ban "Pit Bulls" don't you think the gang members will move on to another breed? Perhaps Golden Retreivers or Labs? Maybe Elgin should concentrate on the Gang problem and not an imagined dog problem Elginite,

You are sorely mistaken on this issue. We are not just talking about dogs here we are talking about a person’s protected right to own property. The Constituion of the United States reads “No State shall…deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Our dogs are our property and they cannot be taken away from us legally unless it can be proven that they constitute a danger to the general public. Bully breeds and Rottweilers, breeds most often singled out for BSL, have not been proven to be any more dangerous than any other breed of dog. As such, BSL infringes on citizens’ equal protection rights.

Further, because it is almost impossible to prove breed heredity, BSL also infringes on citizens’ due process rights. Every citizen has a right under the due process clause to attempt to affect the outcome of a municipal or state-imposed deprivation of property (in this case, citizens’ dogs). When BSL is imposed and the owner is penalized yet it cannot be determined that the dog is indeed the banned breed in question, the dog owner’s due process rights are infringed upon.

My wife and I who are both residents of Elgin run the web site http://www.NoPitBullBans.com and we were at the council meeting this week, My wife has been in contact with councilmember Brenda Rodgers to try and work out a resonable law that will be fair to all dog owners in the city of Elgin. Illinois has recently propsed HB4238 which increases pentalities for dogs that bite or are deemed viscious. These bills help local municipalities with enforement of the state laws. This is important in Elgin since the Animal control officer is only part-time. This bill is currently awaiting the Governor’s signature to become law.

Lastly if you Ban “Pit Bulls” don’t you think the gang members will move on to another breed? Perhaps Golden Retreivers or Labs? Maybe Elgin should concentrate on the Gang problem and not an imagined dog problem

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